Post Reply Bad ass, or lazy writing?
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I've always wondered.

When do you cross the line for good writing and sacrifice a rich and powerful back story, for the sheer pleasure of having a character beat the living hell out of the main characters?

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I got into akame ga kill a while ago and I noticed esdeath's power was amazing. The proper definition of badass and fearless to the core. Of course with that being said I assumed there would be a long back story as to how this character came to be, and boy was it quick. I'm not going to ruin what it was however I think it was... kinda lazy... or just "Bad writing" I mean, yeah. They explained how and why it worked but... It felt to quick. Sure, dragging it on would be painful. But, for a character of this scale, that's acceptable

Now obviously with that being said, I wonder. When is it okay for a character to just be really strong and fearless? What do you think would be the best way to portray a character with endless and immense power?
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Predalian5 wrote:

I've always wondered.

When do you cross the line for good writing and sacrifice a rich and powerful back story, for the sheer pleasure of having a character beat the living hell out of the main characters?

(Possible spoilers ahead)
I got into akame ga kill a while ago and I noticed esdeath's power was amazing. The proper definition of badass and fearless to the core. Of course with that being said I assumed there would be a long back story as to how this character came to be, and boy was it quick. I'm not going to ruin what it was however I think it was... kinda lazy... or just "Bad writing" I mean, yeah. They explained how and why it worked but... It felt to quick. Sure, dragging it on would be painful. But, for a character of this scale, that's acceptable

Now obviously with that being said, I wonder. When is it okay for a character to just be really strong and fearless? What do you think would be the best way to portray a character with endless and immense power?


As an insurmountable villain, or as an outsider who likes to screw with the characters.
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It is always okay to make a character strong and fearless. Lot's of anime have characters who start out that way. But regarding a character with immense power and strength, I'm not so sure. There are a lot of anime with characters like that, but the writer won't delve deep enough into writing how that character would have obtained that power in the first place or if that character has any vulnerabilities at all. It's like they just want a badass character for the sake of being a badass.

Anyway, if you want an invincible character with substance, the best I can say is a temporarily short battle form that a character/ or multiple of them would have access to but would leave them extremely vulnerable afterwards. It can be like a trump card that should be used sparingly or something.
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If you ask me, if your going to write an OP character, you shouldn't make him that way for long. Usually, when I'm watching an OP character win all the time, I'm actually rooting for him to lose. You should give him a string of wins and then eventually knock him off his pedestal, that way he can have time to reflect on what went wrong and grow as a character. This would allow him to become a more sympathetic character. Just my 2 cents.
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Usually having an extremely strong or insurmountable character means that they're meant to be some sort of obstacle in the protagonist's way. It's fine to a character like this, but it's also important to make their appearances scarce, or else you run the risk of turning the story stale.

A lot of cases have a short period where said character is just completely broken, but then loses a lot of their power one way or another. Not using it for several years, having it stolen away, being restricted in its use, etc. An example of a recent series that does this fairly well is Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance, the main character was formerly very strong, only recently has he lost the ability to access it.

Hope this answers the question you had.
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I feel the most appropriate time to make a character "strong and fearless" is when they've overcome or are confronting something that would/could be their weakness...or if they're the "bad guy."

No one wins forever. An "invincible" (main) character is flat and boring. Write to break your characters, and you'll make progress.
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Posted 9/1/14
Break them then build them back up from the wreckage.
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I think it's fitting to complain about this here. I HATED how they did the female titan on AoT. I have not read the manga, so I don't know if they went into ANY detail on why she could do all those things (not getting into any spoilers). It really felt like playing a game with 'that one kid' from elementary who would make up rules/powers/whatever to keep on winning. When you consistently reply to a character(s) being genuinely skilled/smart with "Nuh-uh! I can do this thing I never mentioned, which means you lose!".
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The best way is to, as said before IIRC, is to break them. But in one of my two stories cases, I made it happen at the start. He had heritage that made him strong. REALLY strong. An obvious Gary Stu if it was going to be a simple action story. But I had him lose it all due to some bad blood from the past. His family member who hates him and vice versa, sealed his strength and ruined him as a fighter leaving at peak human in strength.

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When dealing with the creation of OP characters i find you can easily do either A.Have the character seem nonchalant (and charming) all the time and sleepy and have them completely change when a character comes along that appears to be as strong a the OP character or B.Just have the character suffer a loss in either themselves or a loved one and draw from that
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