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Posted 8/21/14

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Give China Senkaku islands and and they won't worry about China anymore.


China will be out of Japan's hair..... Until the Chinese decide they want ask for Hokkaido.

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Posted 8/22/14

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Horrible execution of idea because so many places there are no subs or dubs for certain regions.


What do you think could be improved whit the service?
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Posted 8/22/14
Actually having all the series available in all regions. None of that "This is not available in your region" Also having a good video on demand service with a good player none of this garbage player that CR uses.
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Posted 8/26/14

fishnducks wrote:

Actually having all the series available in all regions. None of that "This is not available in your region" Also having a good video on demand service with a good player none of this garbage player that CR uses.


What's wrong whit the player CR uses? It works perfectly for me... Maybe it's your connection.
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Posted 8/26/14 , edited 8/26/14
That exact reason you mentioned the internet connection when illegal sites use the simple JW Player which just works. My connection is good but their player also does let you skip around the timeline of the episode. Also they dont show you how much buffers so you dont know if you can skip ahead.
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Posted 8/27/14 , edited 8/27/14

fishnducks wrote:

That exact reason you mentioned the internet connection when illegal sites use the simple JW Player which just works. My connection is good but their player also does let you skip around the timeline of the episode. Also they dont show you how much buffers so you dont know if you can skip ahead.


I have absolutely no problems whatsoever whit skipping back and forth in CR videos.

But maybe it has something to do whit this...



If you're using a wireless connection then there might be wireless interference, have you tried turning off other wireless devices?
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Very nice speeds you have there but the problem is illegal sites still work well on bad adsl 1 and that is the problem. I'm still only on here because i watch Naruto with a younger sibling and want to get it on time instead of waiting for a fansub. It used to be great on the android app before they changed it to work like the website.
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Well... first i wish i had those connection speeds, but nothing is even offered in my area with that sort of speed... Another note would be that these legal sites IE FUNI sucks with their steaming... I paid for that site for years and never could stream anything over sd quality but i could stream 1080 or at least 720 on CR, so i watched shows that funi had on other non-legal sites. Same quality and no skipping...explain why i should pay for a service that is worse than a free site? I find it hard, but i kept doing it until they started dropping my membership with their site changes... when they did that i never signed back up.

These sites need better packages with the ISP providers in order to get faster streaming for customers.. Until they do that and have a serious approach to the issue then you will have people going to these other sites... I was hoping that CR was going this path with adding manga but after this time they have had it they have maybe 2 manga i care about but sad to say i've already read these on other sites. Would have loved to read them on here but to late. I would like to add i pay for the option for the manga but haven't read a single manga on this site i still read it on a free sites because this site doesn't carry anything i care about. I've been thinking of dropping that on here because i don't see them ever getting anything i care about.
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Hmm... not exactly a perfect solution, but why don't these people just ask google to get legal sites at the top of search results and bury illegal sites 50 pages back, then shut down some of the more prominent ones. While it won't get rid of piracy it will force people to consider legal sites to replace their now lost site.

ALSO PEOPLE! Try Funi's streaming now, within the past few months streaming there has been (for me) 300x smoother than CR. I used to never be able to stream there without significant issues at the lowest quality, now the worse I get is a bit of stuttering at the beginning and the rare multi-colored blocks also only at the beginning, and this is at 1080p. Often on CR I have to let the player be for about 5 - 10 min with some occasional pausing in the middle of episodes which sometimes force me to reload the page, and some days the player won't load at all. At the same time, I head over to Funi, hit Terror in Resonance on 1080p, and immediately begin watching the show with almost no problems whatsoever.
tl;dr Funi streaming is now 500x better.
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I have no problem with this except for the fact that neither Crunchyroll or this new website have many of the shows I want to watch If Crunchyroll would get more stuff such as Lupin the Third and Kuroshitsuji (just to name a few), I would be fine.
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Posted 3/22/15 , edited 3/22/15
The problem with illegal anime sites is Supply, Demand, and Convenience. If legal sites have any hope of converting illegal users, they have to great increase the supply ( the varieties of anime and for all users regardless of region) and make it more convenient to the extent people would consider paying for it ( such as a legal anime site with ALL anime at the time it releases. Movie licensing will probably greatly help also).

I understand the licensing issues with that, but I think the anime and manga industry would be one of the few to benefit from lack of legal competition, especially since illegal sites are the main problem. For example, if Funimation did not exist, it's likely Crunchyroll would have a ton more anime in the catalog, making everything even more convenient. Also, the illegal competition would keep a reign on prices, so if Crunchy overcharged, they would then lose users to illegal streaming.

Finally, it may help Crunchy a ton to get into the Cable TV business.
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Posted 3/22/15 , edited 3/22/15

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I'd say it's a good idea, but being executed horribly. The site itself needs more titles and lacks a lot of the really big anime/manga. Also, instead of bringing up this site, why not just track and shut down the illegal ones so more legal sites become more popular.


Most illegal servers are hosted from China and Russia and the Japanese government doesn't have access to those countries (since well, they're in another country) meaning that they can't just shut them down. On the other hand Japanese people don't like confrontations whit other people since they believe in using more peaceful solutions on problems.

And of course there's one thing they could do and that's track down the servers that are hosted in Japan and make sure that they¨'re being shut down. And then proceed to negotiate whit other countries governments about them helping to shut down the servers... The only problem whit that is that if they're planning to ask another country like Russia for help then their governments in turn might require something in return and the question then get's... Is it worth it?


Correct. That's the long and the short of it.

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Posted 3/22/15

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Why does it seem like all the major streaming sites are American, is there none in Europe etc to seek licensing for some of this stuff?


You could always use a Proxy and/or a VPN to bypass your country/region restrictions.

Btw, there're a lot of anime in Europe, you just need to know where to search for it... What European country are you from? If your country is a EU member then you could buy your anime from whitout having to pay import taxes. http://www.amazon.co.uk/, http://www.mangauk.com/, http://www.archonia.com/mangashop/en/ I'm sure there's other soucres where you can but anime... But these are the only once I've been avail to find.


I believe using a proxy to bipass copyright restrictions is still violating copyright law somehow. Congrats. you're doing something illegal again.

(not that I'm saying you shouldn't. Hell, I encourage you! But just saying, if your goal is to do this all on the legit, you screwed up by going via proxy)
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Posted 3/22/15

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TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:


phogan wrote:

Why does it seem like all the major streaming sites are American, is there none in Europe etc to seek licensing for some of this stuff?


You could always use a Proxy and/or a VPN to bypass your country/region restrictions.

Btw, there're a lot of anime in Europe, you just need to know where to search for it... What European country are you from? If your country is a EU member then you could buy your anime from whitout having to pay import taxes. http://www.amazon.co.uk/, http://www.mangauk.com/, http://www.archonia.com/mangashop/en/ I'm sure there's other soucres where you can but anime... But these are the only once I've been avail to find.


I believe using a proxy to bipass copyright restrictions is still violating copyright law somehow. Congrats. you're doing something illegal again.

(not that I'm saying you shouldn't. Hell, I encourage you! But just saying, if your goal is to do this all on the legit, you screwed up by going via proxy)


Using a VPN and/or proxy never have and never will be illegal. But it may break the terms of service for the service you use. Also, it's up to the service provider to protect their licenses from being viewed where they don't have a license
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Posted 3/22/15 , edited 3/22/15

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You cant fight piracy really.. this is really a stupid idea that probably didnt have a ton of industry support.. Getting their anime and movies on sites like crunchyroll, netflix, etc is probably the best anti piracy effort any copyright holder could hope for. At least they can make money from it. its a digital world, get used to it and use it. If the stuff is easily available at a reasonable(cheap) price who needs to download it?


I know a lot of people whom believe in the notion "why should I pay if I can get it for free?"

This is just my theory... But companies NEED to learn consumers of how much money they accully do lose when people pirate their content. On the site it said that 17% of Japanese consumers pirate anime and manga illegally, and yet anime and manga is one of the easiest things to obtain in Japan. And if you think it for a second then 17% of the total consumers count of a product is a massive number, let's say a million people buy anime and manga (Just because it's easy let's say they cost 1$ each) and then 17% of that is 170.000 people whom could have used their money to improve the industry... And then the industry lose 170.000$ off of that.


On the latest anti-piracy thread I had this looooong tirade on how you give the content for free, you can reap millions on the products.

there was a bit on the CR model.

only 10% of CR users pay.
the rest get hit with ads. Adblocks block those ads super easy and most people are cheap ass bastards.

regardless, either way, the revenues on the subs and the ads ALL goes to the industry (I was mistaken on that in my arrgument)...

Well where do you think CR gets its money for the massive bandwidth usage, the staff, etc? Well, right next to the forums on the top navigation bar, you'll see this thing called "store".....

XD

Here's a graph to show what I mean:


Most of the business to anime is selling the products.

and also those titles tend to get ad revenue and sponsorship prior to being created, and prior to broadcasting.



How much and what for depends on the title, as I also conceded in that topic, but as a former watcher of fansubs, I can tell you a LOT of titles had sponsors listed after opening credits and at other spots.

And then, if they just broadcast for free and do something like Hulu where the ads are locked into viewing...
I'm sure they can find something like this happen:




I'm just sick and tired of hearing this bullshit about how the anime industry is suffering because of pirates.

It's suffering because fandom is down, retail outlets carrying their stuff is down, and there's a lack of viewership because the internet killed both video rental stores and broadcast station venues that freely showed their stuff.

People also CHOOSE what they watch or don't watch anymore, and nobody channel surfs. Very rarely do you find someone who gets exposed to movies or such their friends are watching because everyone has their own laundry list of things to see.

And quite frankly,if people are buying bootlegs in THEIR OWN COUNTRY, I don't blame them. We complain about 5 eps on a disk for $25. They get 2 per disk at $50. It sure as hell doesn't cost more than $5 to make a DVD, a case, and print a high gloss insert. (which probably took an hour or two to design based on existing concept art).
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