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Anime in the news yet again.
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Posted 8/22/14 , edited 8/22/14
I really hope this doesn't turn into the thing video games are going through. Well a little backstory on how I heard about this. My mom called me and told me, well that's basically it.

^Ignore this, but instead read the edit.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trial-begins-kindergartners-abduction-rape-25067308

Edit: Okay after reading some posts and having clarification on the article. I still would like to know what people think. While anime was brought up as a possible motive and even though the judge threw the idea out, do you think it's possible for something like anime(including ecchi and Hentai) to motivate someone to do such an act?
Personally I don't think so, blaming anything like video games and insanity are just excuses so the punishment is less severe. Let's hope the judge and the jury keep to not siding with the persecution on the motive. It does bother me that anime was brought up as a motive and I hope people don't begin to twist this or that it doesn't end up being talked about like how video games are talked about. It's sad what happened to the little girl and I hope the culprit get's what she deserves.

I also do apologize for the first post(it's in the spoilers) I misread the article at first and after reading other posts and rereading the article I realized my mistake.
Is it possible to change the title of the forum topic? If so someone please let me know
Originally this topic was about anime being blamed for a crime, so there are posts that did fit the original question, but since I realized my mistake I went to fix it. Still trying to keep it to the subject of the article, but asking it differently since my original intent was due to my own misreading. I do apologize
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Posted 8/22/14 , edited 8/22/14
Sounds like it was an anime porn, not just any anime.

That young woman is messed up in the head for doing what she did. Anime can't really be blamed, but anime porn on the other hand...a lot of it is pretty bad and minors shouldn't view it (this woman must have been viewing it well before she was 18).

She did a terrible crime. I hope this doesn't create a big stir, though. Video games are not understood by so many. I don't want anime to be made to be a villain like video games either, OP. The news journalists, many moms and dads out there; they'd probably understand anime even less than video games (them being people who protest video games and then even anime).
Posted 8/22/14 , edited 8/22/14
I've grown pretty tired of this conversation. Be it music, video games, anime, manga whatever, the correlation between the two is usually not there.

That said, torture anime sounds more like a form of perverse hentai to me than an actual legitimate anime. I've got no doubt that the anime found was not akin to One Piece or Naruto than it was some gross "anime based" porn on some disgusting smut site. A lot of people get offended by this, but hentai and related pornographic material is destroying anime, especially when it leads people to think anime and it are the same thing, like this situation.

This woman obviously needs either help or to be locked in prison for the rest of her life, or if you're like me that doesn't sound like enough. But the point of it is that there's been a witch hunt lately with anime, and this doesn't help it.
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All-around irrelevant. The judge even stated the anime wasn't cause/effect of the woman's actions. She's just a sick B***h. "People" grasp at all kinds of straws... Anime "porn" is not anything new. If it was truly the cause of her actions, why then would it NOW be a concern especially after over a decade of materials like that easily (and free most times) available and legal everywhere? False smoke signals to detract from the real issue... Once again, a sick B***h!
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Posted 8/22/14 , edited 8/22/14

That's kind of the point I'm trying to make. With the CNN report and now this, it's seems like anime has become the next target for the news and protestors. While I do believe the the thing that was mentioned was a form of Hentai, it does bother me that this news came up not to long after the whole CNN report. Also people not familiar with anime won't necessarily know the difference between anime and Hentai. Someone is going to see anime, torture, and sexual and put those words together and include this report as well as the CNN report, to come to the conclusion that anime is some sick demented stuff and those who watch it are sick as well. What I think the news should not do is mention stuff like "Oh the video games made them do it" or "Oh the anime made them do it" because it will paint the wrong picture and besides when people blame that stuff I see it as an excuse not to get in as much trouble( like how people abuse the insanity plea). The thing is the lady wanted to hurt someone, but needed a way so she took the idea from something she saw and pins it on that to avoid getting into even more trouble. I'm not trying to justify the messed up stuff that can be found in anime, I'm just saying it's an easy blame game.
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God D#@$ it, first my "Call of Duty" apparently causes school shootings now my anime apparently causes this
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I agree with you that it probably was a hentai, because any anime that would have the those kind of scenes most certainly would not be aired on T.V. or any reputable anime streaming site, you would most certainly have to go to an "adult website". In which case I don't feel that it's right to use that as an example of anime at all.
It is not however like the video game argument because that type of "anime" is not readily available, were as the video games they argued against and tried to change (which I thought was completely ridiculous and wanted to tell all those a******s to go f*****f and leave video games alone). Which you could walk into any store that sells video games and get and many times they didn't even ask age (they have gotten better about that).
Most anime and manga out there however CNN wants to depict it is not of that nature and most of the time sexual scenes are merely alluded to and not shown in any graphic detail.
All that being said I hope that girl has a strong support system as she will never be the same again.
Crime like these are one of the few reasons that I think that the us should keep the death penalty because that is a crime of thee most despicable and heinous degree and no number of years in prison can ever atone for such crimes.
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The news picks something they don't understand every so many years to blame shit on. When I was a kid every time a teenager did something bad it was Beavis and Buttheads fault. Shortly after that all violence in the world was caused because of video games. I guess it's anime/mangas turn as they have exploded in popularity in the last 10 years with sites such as Crunchyroll and Funimation. Lastly, we more companies publishing english manga now which is 100X more than when I was a kid.

I hope this makes sense as I'm currently doped up on painkillers.
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All-around irrelevant. The judge even stated the anime wasn't cause/effect of the woman's actions. She's just a sick B***h. "People" grasp at all kinds of straws... Anime "porn" is not anything new. If it was truly the cause of her actions, why then would it NOW be a concern especially after over a decade of materials like that easily (and free most times) available and legal everywhere? False smoke signals to detract from the real issue... Once again, a sick B***h!

True, but it won't stop some people from using it an argument as to why anime is "bad". I think it's being brought up more since Anime has been in the news recently( the CNN report) as being that type of content. Also I would say anime has become more popular than it was before, so it's going to get it's time in the news and be the excuse of criminals who wanted to commit crimes, but not be fully punished for them, just like video games.
Posted 8/22/14 , edited 8/22/14
Well, at least the article is positive about it and doesn't relate crimes depicted in animation to criminal behaviour in real life.

Quoted from the article, "However, Common Pleas Judge Jeffrey P. Minehart found the cartoon nature of the material too far removed from the crime, and ruled it inadmissible. He also said the material is not illegal in Pennsylvania."

Finally, someone with common sense!
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Yeah it definitely sounds like a hentai, and while even they are not all about horrible stuff, there's definitely the rape and torture shit among them. I wish the media would stop calling hentai 'anime'. It's as dumb as calling porn a TV Show. God I wish the media would stop trying to paint hobbies as capable of making people evil, or being evil themselves. These days it seems like if you're not limiting yourself to reading books and walks in the park you're an evil monster engaging in satanic activities. Games, anime, music, none of those things will make a person who isn't already nuts 'evil'. We should focus on the real root of these problems, than playing the blame game and trying to brainwash mindless morons who can't think for themselves to fear everything they don't understand. Luckily in this article they seemed like they were defending anime, but you know it's going to take the place of videogames in the 'everyones favourite punching bag' area.
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GayAsianBoy wrote:

Well, at least the article is positive about it and doesn't relate crimes depicted in animation to criminal behaviour in real life.

Quoted from the article, "However, Common Pleas Judge Jeffrey P. Minehart found the cartoon nature of the material too far removed from the crime, and ruled it inadmissible. He also said the material is not illegal in Pennsylvania."

Finally, someone with common sense!


Yeah, I don't get why people here see this as bad news. The anime was defended!
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Well it's nothing new that the media try to pin crimes on fiction. I definitely agree that there are some messed up stuff around the web, but people who commit such crimes are already very ill. Focus should be put on trying to prevent people from growing up with such a messed up view of the world.
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Posted 8/22/14 , edited 8/22/14
Makes you wonder what kind of Hentai or hardcore Doujinshi she was reading?
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Ah, but allowing people to maintain a broad definition of "anime" is the real issue. Most of the time when anime is used in description, it's usually also defined. Of course, we can't expect most "Joe Public" readers to make that connection. Even more so because Googling crap is just so much more easier, and most opinions are not original most of the time, and "popular consent" seems to be the norm now on how we proceed... Etc, etc, etc.

When an educated person makes a direct attack towards the type of Anime we have all come to know and love, then I'll have more concern. Why do I not have the concern you think this may warrant? Easy. If it was this simple to "scapegoat" Anime for my actions, I would of long ago ran around cutting people's heads of with my collection of swords (at whatnot) a long time ago and just said: "Oh, I just got done watching Akame_ga_kill, and thought I could. It's not my fault, you shouldn't of let me". Lol, sounds kinda silly huh?

Grasping straws... People have always done it, and they always will. Just because I liked playing D&D as a kid, didn't make me a Satan worshiper... I still have all the original books and still don't follow Satan, he's MY B***h
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