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Anime in the news yet again.
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Posted 8/22/14
stupid fucking people in this world...

I mean, i watch anime with a ton of torture and im not out their doing stupid stuff.

I hate how they blame everything on something like games or anime or even TV for that matter.

Its the fault of the government and doctors who never noticed the increasingly obvious signs of a psychopath.

A psychopath will be a psychopath no matter what; people don't magically develop a desire to murder over night due to a tv show. They have deep rooted issues that are most likely ignored by their psychiatrists.

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It's really do to the fact that there will be people who still blame it on the anime even though the judge said it wasn't the cause. With the rise of anime being mentioned in the news as it has been it's going to get more hate for what it's been painted as. It's also become very popular in recent years, so the news media will jump on things like this and use it more to their advantage. Since anime wasn't the cause it should have never been brought up in the report.
I'll use an example. When my mom called me to tell me, by the way she sounded she was starting to think what I was watching was what was depicted in the article. So while this article mentioned that the judge said anime wasn't the cause, there will be other articles that may leave out what the judge said and say the lady watched an anime and then committed the act. I did tell my mom what the judge said though and she doesn't seem to question anime anymore.
This is kind of a warning to be careful since we had the CNN report and now this we should stay on our toes for when the next story comes along and be ready because it may hurt us even more(CNN really did some damage to us).
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They'll throw that in the headlines just to keep our past time on the radar for radicals.
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Welp this depressed my day, back to PS3.
Posted 8/22/14
The prosecution is dumb.
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I do hope people are at least reading the article too and other comments. It's not overly depressing it's just a warning since anime seems to be being blamed for sexual crimes. The judge did say that the anime( well it was most likely a Hentai) wasn't the cause, but that won't stop some people from still blaming anime especially if other articles read differently. Also anime has been in the news quite a bit being blamed for causing people to be pedophiles. So it's really just a warning to be ready for what may come next and be prepared since we already got a negative look because of CNN's past report.
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Let's review the details:

-The story to be discussed was released August 21, 2014 and the trial is set for next Monday, so this is pretty fresh news.

-The prosecution asked that a video depicting animated sexual torture be included in evidence on the grounds that it was essential for establishing both intent and a motive, and further that it would help substantiate the claim that the defendant had acted alone. The material's shock value and the recency of its consumption (six hours prior to the victim's abduction) informed the prosecution's rationale.

-The defense counselor disputed the evidence's relevance, stating that the activities depicted do not match the events in this case.

-The judge presiding over this case conditionally rejected the prosecution's request to introduce the video into evidence, stating that the material in question is not itself illegal, and that while the material may be shocking it is unreasonable to suggest that it serves as evidence of sexual abuse and is ultimately too far removed from the crime to be relevant. The judge would, however, reconsider allowing the video to be used as evidence if, and only if, the defense were to attempt to claim that the defendant could not possibly have experienced sexual attraction toward the victim or claimed that additional people must have been involved (the latter of which had apparently been the defense's initial strategy).

And Now My Comment:

The author of the article did a fine job reporting the facts objectively, and deserves no condemnation whatsoever. The prosecution in the case, meanwhile, is trying to use the shock value of perfectly legal materials to emotionally sway the jury toward a favorable verdict. For the purposes of our discussion the problem is that the prosecution wants to use the video in question to establish that it was a motivating factor which itself establishes the defendant's intentions to commit the crime in question. The judge recognized this for the transparent nonsense it is, refused to admit the video to evidence on the grounds that it was irrelevant, and established reasonable conditions for its future use should it ever become relevant. One can only hope that the people watching this case are able to understand that the prosecution is simply reaching for additional nails to pound into the defense's coffin and ways to shock the jury, and that the materials in question are not themselves motivating factors for commission of crimes.
Posted 8/22/14
Wow, people only care about their reputation at the end of the day
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The prosecution is dumb.


No, the prosecution is actually quite shrewd. Their argument is transparent nonsense that the judge fortunately spotted and stopped, but had they been able to get the video admitted into evidence its shocking, unfamiliar nature would've been helpful for emotionally swaying the jury. It's easy to persuade someone who is shocked by a video depicting animated acts of violence that the video they've just seen was a motivating factor for the violent act they're supposed to review regardless of the fact that such an argument is flimsier than a bridge made of bread, so the prosecution was just seeking a persuasive advantage by doing this.

Ideally the prosecution's argument would be based solely on cold, hard evidence like documentation of the defendant's inquiries into her prior criminal records, methods for disposing of DNA evidence, and information useful for disguising herself. Frankly, I think that between these things, witness testimony, and indications of similar behavior in the defendant's past the prosecution doesn't need to use these emotional shenanigans and has a solid case already. But the decision to try to get this video into evidence and to make the arguments they've made makes sense even if it is a shameless ploy to mess with the jury's heads. As a prosecutor one seeks every advantage one can conceivably lay claim to.
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I see what you're saying and I understand. My worry is people may side with the prosecution or people will twist this case and use it to their advantage(like the prosecution). It's an extremely sad event and the culprit deserves to be punished, but it was just shocking to see that it came up as a possible motive. This could cause others to use it as their excuse(you know how people use the insanity plea to have a less harsh sentence) and others to use it as an argument. I do give props to the judge for seeing what the prosecution is doing. I also think the author of the article did a good job. I do hope I don't come off as self-centered, but if any fandoms' or even religious group's thing became a motive for doing a terrible act like this, I think anyone would worry especially knowing that people like to twist things. No one want's to be affiliated with something negative. CNN had their report which is something that will stick for awhile and then you have the prosecution throw that out as a motive. It just gives off a bad image that no one wants.
Thanks for your going into detail about the article.
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Ctonhunter wrote:

I see what you're saying and I understand. My worry is people may side with the prosecution or people will twist this case and use it to their advantage(like the prosecution). It's an extremely sad event and the culprit deserves to be punished, but it was just shocking to see that it came up as a possible motive. This could cause others to use it as their excuse(you know how people use the insanity plea to have a less harsh death sentence) and others to use it as an argument. I do give props to the judge for seeing what the prosecution is doing. I also think the author of the article did a good job. I do hope I don't come off as self-centered, but if any group's thing became a motive for doing a terrible act like this, I think anyone would worry especially knowing that people like to twist things. No one want's to be affiliated with something negative. CNN had their report which is something that will stick for awhile and then you have the prosecution throw that out as a motive. It just gives off a bad image that no one wants.
Thanks for your going into detail about the article.


It's not as if there's no cause for concern whatsoever, as though you're seeing something that isn't there. But I wonder if the problem of people misunderstanding and/or misrepresenting anime/manga as being motivating factors in the commission of crimes (to include ecchi and hentai works) is as widespread as you are suggesting. Is there any polling data, significant activism, or recent legislative/judiciary action which is fueling your concerns? This case doesn't actually count as an example since the irrelevance of the anime in question was immediately recognized and served as grounds for its rejection as evidence.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Wouldn't calling it shrewd be giving them too much credit? Seems like a grab for every possible advantage they could get their hands on. Though I get what you are saying that it is natural for them to do so.


Not really. Their shrewdness doesn't belittle their shamelessness, after all. They were able to recognize a piece of irrelevant information which could be useful for legally manipulating the jury and took a shot at getting it in. If we don't call them shrewd, we at least have to admit that the prosecution is resourceful.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Wouldn't calling it shrewd be giving them too much credit? Seems like a grab for every possible advantage they could get their hands on. Though I get what you are saying that it is natural for them to do so.


Not really. Their shrewdness doesn't belittle their shamelessness, after all. They were able to recognize a piece of irrelevant information which could be useful for legally manipulating the jury and took a shot at getting it in. If we don't call them shrewd, we at least have to admit that the prosecution is resourceful.


Ah, I think I understand now. Just realized a moment ago how dumb my reply was.
Posted 8/22/14
Ugh. This is disgusting...I hope that woman gets the punishment she deserves, anyone who abuses children should go to jail for life or be executed and I hope they don't go easy on her just because she is a woman (I hope not to hear the "mentally unstable" crap).
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Strange how this woman who is 21 years old rapes a young girl. According to the story it sounds like the women had known the family when she plan this little abduction.
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