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Why I think Argevollen is better than Aldnoah Zero
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The score on MAL for Argevollen is 6.44, while Aldnoah Zero is 8.04. I always want to judge by myself since I have not tried Argevollen but I just watched the first episode of Aldnoah.Zero and it was GODLY
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I hope the OP doesn't just bait and then disappears.

I watch both of them like I do with SAO and LH. They both have strengths and weaknesses. They both have cliches and asspulls like any other mecha anime.

This kind of thread should be let die as soon as it's made.

Honestly, don't attack one series and favor the other without solid comparisons. I don't like people say they like A/Z and it is better than Argevollen because it's Gen Urobuchi's.
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I honestly don't see the point in this thread... I mean I watch both shows and I don't need anybody to tell me which show should I like more and I certainly don't see why other people should give a shit about OP liking Argevollen more than A/Z.

If OP's objective is to get more people to watch Argevollen then make a thread like "why you should watch Argevollen" no need to compare these 2 shows and spark pointless debates full of personal bias.
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I agree with the argument that some of the characters in Aldnoah lacks something, whatever that may be. Even so, Aldnoah beats Argevollen by a longshot. The character personalities aren't that much of an issue to me, since the characters the anime really focus on do have enough of a personality to make them interesting. It's mostly the side characters that are a lot like each other.
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But don't you guys know that two shows, with the only similarity being the genre, have to be compared with each other?

Seriously though, I don't understand why people always have to try to compare shows of the same genre, but are different in almost every other way. It's like when Log Horizon was airing and people were calling it a SAO ripoff and were comparing the two as if there were any similarities but the very basic concept.
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Was I a bit too optimistic in thinking this could be a civil discussion talking about the differences of the shows and pros and cons of each? Anyway like I said I recognize they are too different shows with minimal similarities, the only reason I became interested in making this topic is due to the fact the shows are compared quite often and Aldnoah being better seems to be the predominant opinion on the site. I also thought Log Horizon was much better than SAO aside from the slight pedophilia, but that's another topic entirely.
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I enjoy both shows, but for almost completely different reasons.

The way I see it, Aldnoah is a story-focused show that uses action to advance the story and develop the characters... while Argevollen is an action-focused show that uses characters to advance the story and develop more drama.

Each works well with the respective focus they follow, but since they each have a different focus they don't really compare well together, overall. Argevollen would prolly compare best to Captain Earth, imho, as it is also primarily an action-focused show (and M3 is very much a character-focused one).

I will also say that I "connect" with and generally "like" Inaho's character much more so than Tokimune's. Inaho prolly saw friends, family, and neighbors die during the first Vers war, and suppressed his emotions so that he could focus on survival -- and, after the war, on school and rebuilding a "normal" life. Tokimune is the kind of jerk I usually avoid... a self-centered hot-shot who has no respect for those around him, ignores advice and orders because he thinks he "knows better," and constantly does things that either piss people off or puts them in danger. Inaho is a team player... Tokimune is not.
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SirWilburn wrote:

Was I a bit too optimistic in thinking this could be a civil discussion talking about the differences of the shows and pros and cons of each? Anyway like I said I recognize they are too different shows with minimal similarities, the only reason I became interested in making this topic is due to the fact the shows are compared quite often and Aldnoah being better seems to be the predominant opinion on the site. I also thought Log Horizon was much better than SAO aside from the slight pedophilia, but that's another topic entirely.


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That is correct ,

if we compare Inaho and Tokimune, Inaho's character is written better . Inaho's flat affect though annoying me is coming from the fact that he is acting as a soldier and with skills.
As soldiers , one must learn to supress feelings of anger and fear in order to function as one. Although I wanted to know him more and see more depth in his character.

And about Urobuchi sensei. Indeed most of his work are very good for the most part. . So the knowledge alone that he created Aldonah Zero makes it more appetizing to watch but can also cause disappointement when one expect too much
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Iskandos wrote:

I enjoy both shows, but for almost completely different reasons.

The way I see it, Aldnoah is a story-focused show that uses action to advance the story and develop the characters... while Argevollen is an action-focused show that uses characters to advance the story and develop more drama.

Each works well with the respective focus they follow, but since they each have a different focus they don't really compare well together, overall. Argevollen would prolly compare best to Captain Earth, imho, as it is also primarily an action-focused show (and M3 is very much a character-focused one).

I will also say that I "connect" with and generally "like" Inaho's character much more so than Tokimune's. Inaho prolly saw friends, family, and neighbors die during the first Vers war, and suppressed his emotions so that he could focus on survival -- and, after the war, on school and rebuilding a "normal" life. Tokimune is the kind of jerk I usually avoid... a self-centered hot-shot who has no respect for those around him, ignores advice and orders because he thinks he "knows better," and constantly does things that either piss people off or puts them in danger. Inaho is a team player... Tokimune is not.


I'm certain Inaho has his reasons for being the way he is, but that lack of emotion sort of creates a disconnect in some cases he even seems a tad bit disrespectful though I guess being smarter than everyone else has earned him that right, I think someone nailed it when they said he's sort of machine like. Oddly enough I would actually say Aldnoah Zero has been the more action-focused series thus far with some mechs getting destroyed in a beautiful explosion every episode.

Tokimune obviously isn't very bright, he's a rookie and it shows, he will make mistakes, but he does seem to be genuinely concerned about the people around him and has some growing up to do of course.
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SirWilburn wrote:

Anyway I've seen it discussed in the comments sections of videos and how people think Aldnoah is so much better than Argevollen, but I think the opposite.


Where in the WORLD did you hear that. Besides this thread, I've never heard the two compared. I'm not saying it isnt true, but just give me a link. I agree both have their merits, so I'll wuss out of the conflict. But as you said, they really shouldn't be compared, like the LH and SAO thread.
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SirWilburn wrote:

Was I a bit too optimistic in thinking this could be a civil discussion talking about the differences of the shows and pros and cons of each? Anyway like I said I recognize they are too different shows with minimal similarities, the only reason I became interested in making this topic is due to the fact the shows are compared quite often and Aldnoah being better seems to be the predominant opinion on the site. I also thought Log Horizon was much better than SAO aside from the slight pedophilia, but that's another topic entirely.




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SirWilburn wrote:

Anyway I've seen it discussed in the comments sections of videos and how people think Aldnoah is so much better than Argevollen, but I think the opposite.


Where in the WORLD did you hear that. Besides this thread, I've never heard the two compared. I'm not saying it isnt true, but just give me a link. I agree both have their merits, so I'll wuss out of the conflict. But as you said, they really shouldn't be compared, like the LH and SAO thread.


The first several episodes of Aldnoah Zero in the comments and I think in a few Argevollen videos too.
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Thanks, I'll look into it. Also fast reply there. O.O

Also the SAO/LH thread is taking over.

Well... What do you like about each series?
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SirWilburn wrote:
I'm certain Inaho has his reasons for being the way he is, but that lack of emotion sort of creates a disconnect in some cases he even seems a tad bit disrespectful though I guess being smarter than everyone else has earned him that right, I think someone nailed it when they said he's sort of machine like. Oddly enough I would actually say Aldnoah Zero has been the more action-focused series thus far with some mechs getting destroyed in a beautiful explosion every episode.

Tokimune obviously isn't very bright, he's a rookie and it shows, he will make mistakes, but he does seem to be genuinely concerned about the people around him and has some growing up to do of course.



The storyline with Tokimune's sister looks promising -- I'm hoping there'll be some good character development for him as it progresses! Something to kinda slap him in the face and make him grow up a bit would be great for him, especially if it makes him realize he's part of a team hehe! At this point, I'd rather have Silfy or Lorenz as my wingman, even without the Argevollen, as I know they'd at least have my back.

M3's Akashi is a good compromise between Tokimune and Inaho, too... he's got the superiority complex and lone-wolf attitude of Tokimune, but the cold calculating and cooperative teamplay of Inaho (tho to a much lesser degree). He started as a major anti-social jerk -- even moreso than Tokimune -- but he's actually somewhat likeable now. He went through some pretty rough stuff to develop tho (M3 has a very heavy dark style, both in art and story)... not sure if Argevollen is up to that, writing-wise they seem to go for a more straightforward style.

For Inaho, I have a feeling something is gonna happen to open up the ole emotional dam, and it's not gonna be something good... both he and Marito are grappling with some dark times in their past, tho Inaho's complete emotional block seems to be a lot more effective than Marito's "drown it in booze" approach =P They've been pretty mum with Inaho so far, but we can see from Marito's flashbacks (and his current PTSD) that it was not the happiest of times during the first war... I imagine Inaho's past will be exposed more fully once that "something" happens, and once his emotional dam breaks it's just not gonna be pretty... o.O
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