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proper names, where did they go?
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Posted 8/26/14 , edited 8/26/14
Why is it that people seem to ignore proper names of items. I mean really is it so hard to say katana when referring to a katana not really, but many people say samurai sword, which while correct is not near as accurate. I mean really a samurai sword could refer to katana or a wakizashi or an odachi. Why is it that people love using ambiguous word and then get mad when someone uses a more accurate word. I was talking to my sister and mother and we were talking about crafting and they were getting mad at me. Because I kept calling it EVA foam and not craft foam and they took it as me talking down to them but I was just being more precise. I was not talking about polystyrene or polyethylene or polyurethane, I was talking about EVA foam. Its like they took it as an offense that I was not use ambiguous terms. I mean really stuff has proper names, we should use them more often. I mean really what is up with everyone using umbrella terms I hate it. Stop saying kung fu and karate and shit call it what it is the styles have proper names and should be respected by using them. The media needs to stop calling them assault rifles and call them what they are ar-15, ak-47. fn-2000, scar, yes they are all assault rifles but they are all distinctively unique. Maybe I'm a little OCD about names and calling things what they are but really would it kill people to start making a few more distinctions. I mean really I maybe a liberal but I am not a democrat, I may be christian but I am not a catholic or a baptist.
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Not everybody is a walking dictionary and knows the "proper" name to everything, I suppose. People tend to just call things what those around them call them.
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I just skimmed through what you read, and I guess, you know, saran wrap or plastic wrap?
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Posted 8/26/14 , edited 8/27/14

ayesharocks wrote:
saran wrap or plastic wrap?


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Posted 8/26/14
pop or soda?
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ShiftedDesign wrote:


ayesharocks wrote:
saran wrap or plastic wrap?


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ITS PLASTIC WRAP
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Posted 8/26/14 , edited 8/28/14
there's nothing wrong with knowing a lot of words but don't be a dick about it
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Because umbrella terms are easier for associating an item or word to an image. Your example is katana, but I ask what kind? Nihonto or shinken? AK-47? What kind? AK-47 I/II/III, Type 56, AKMS, AKM, AMD-63/65, M70, PM md. 63, etc? For assault rifles it make no difference from nation of origin and mechanism of functionality. They are all designed to go *boom*, and to sensationalize news articles and media ratings. People do not care so much for specifics, sadly. Very catastrophic in an instructional setting.
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Posted 8/27/14

ayesharocks wrote:


ShiftedDesign wrote:


ayesharocks wrote:
saran wrap or plastic wrap?


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ITS PLASTIC WRAP


Is it?! I don't even know any more! *curls in a ball weeping softy*

Posted 8/27/14

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pop or soda?


Lol that all depends on where your from xD same with coffee or cup of joe :p
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Because umbrella terms are easier for associating an item or word to an image. Your example is katana, but I ask what kind? Nihonto or shinken? AK-47? What kind? AK-47 I/II/III, Type 56, AKMS, AKM, AMD-63/65, M70, PM md. 63, etc? For assault rifles it make no difference from nation of origin and mechanism of functionality. They are all designed to go *boom*, and to sensationalize news articles and media ratings. People do not care so much for specifics, sadly. Very catastrophic in an instructional setting.


This.
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You used the guns as an example, well some people won't know those guns.
As far as my gun knowledge goes I know the AK-47 and the Scar, I won't know what media means when they talk about a different gun to the one I actually know the name of, so I actually want them to be called assault rifles.
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Realtaliation wrote:

Because umbrella terms are easier for associating an item or word to an image. Your example is katana, but I ask what kind? Nihonto or shinken? AK-47? What kind? AK-47 I/II/III, Type 56, AKMS, AKM, AMD-63/65, M70, PM md. 63, etc? For assault rifles it make no difference from nation of origin and mechanism of functionality. They are all designed to go *boom*, and to sensationalize news articles and media ratings. People do not care so much for specifics, sadly. Very catastrophic in an instructional setting.



People don't always know all the detailed proper names of things. Also, we can always get more and more specific when describing things to the point where no one will know what we're talking about. For example, I'm drinking filtered residential potable water supplied to my home by the Baltimore City Department of Public Works from a Toon Tumblers brand clear pint glass with Batman and his logo painted on it. Does it make it hard for people to understand if I say I'm drinking water from a Batman glass? The former is too much information for a general conversation, the latter is enough detail for people to know what you're talking about. Sometimes the specifics help the conversation or help people understand what you're talking about, sometimes it does not.
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Because generalising makes stuff easier for people to understand, and people would rather use stuff that's both easy to pronounce and to understand. Like the bit with assault rifles. The only people that'll understand those strings of numbers and letters are those who know about assault rifles. It's much easier to learn the word 'assault rifle' than every assault rifle in existence and all the variations of them. Besides on the news what difference will info on the model of the gun make? Those reports are usually 'guns are killing people and shouldn't exist. Fear everything, sheeple. 'Even then does it matter so long as you're both on the same page? Samurai sword tells the person you're talking to that it's the 'sword' that 'samurai' would generally use. If you start bringing up specifics they won't know what the hell you're on about unless, like you, they're somewhat versed in the topic at hand. I'm all for using specific language but not over-complication for the sake of over-complication.
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I can see people correcting you for using a more 'proper' name with the umbrella term as the correction shows they understand what you mean from the context. I also understand the want for use of more 'proper' names being used in place of alternative names, particularly in cases like 'samurai sword' for katana as, from my experience, most people that refer to the katana that way will also refer to them as katana and use the terms interchangeably.


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Because umbrella terms are easier for associating an item or word to an image. Your example is katana, but I ask what kind? Nihonto or shinken? AK-47? What kind? AK-47 I/II/III, Type 56, AKMS, AKM, AMD-63/65, M70, PM md. 63, etc? For assault rifles it make no difference from nation of origin and mechanism of functionality. They are all designed to go *boom*, and to sensationalize news articles and media ratings. People do not care so much for specifics, sadly. Very catastrophic in an instructional setting.


In the case of what kinds, it only matters in context and someone that is knowledgeable enough to understand the difference in the types is quite likely to be able to derive the type from the context of the conversation. Using the katana as an example, the context of most conversations in which katana are a part of, one would most likely assume it to be a Nihonto, However, if the conversation is about martial arts and the use of live blades in them, then one can assume shinken.
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