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proper names, where did they go?
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Posted 8/27/14 , edited 8/27/14
What is an odachi? I've heard of a nodachi and a tachi, or otachi if referring to it honorifically. Miyamoto Musashi referred to it as tachigatana, but usually tachi or daito, a fairly ambiguous term considering the availability of other more accurate words.
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Posted 8/27/14
oh i thought this was about capitalizing proper nouns
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Because it's easier that way. I'm not a gun expert or anything, so it's easier to just refer to guns like the ak-47 as assault riffles. I understand where you're coming from, but it's not that people are disrespecting the item, it's just that they may not know the proper name.
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Hey, some of Us here still have a command of the English language. We're not ALL dolts.
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Posted 8/27/14

ShiftedDesign wrote:


ayesharocks wrote:
saran wrap or plastic wrap?


You're a monster...


Cling film!
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Posted 8/27/14 , edited 8/27/14

mdmrn wrote:


Realtaliation wrote:

Because umbrella terms are easier for associating an item or word to an image. Your example is katana, but I ask what kind? Nihonto or shinken? AK-47? What kind? AK-47 I/II/III, Type 56, AKMS, AKM, AMD-63/65, M70, PM md. 63, etc? For assault rifles it make no difference from nation of origin and mechanism of functionality. They are all designed to go *boom*, and to sensationalize news articles and media ratings. People do not care so much for specifics, sadly. Very catastrophic in an instructional setting.



People don't always know all the detailed proper names of things. Also, we can always get more and more specific when describing things to the point where no one will know what we're talking about. For example, I'm drinking filtered residential potable water supplied to my home by the Baltimore City Department of Public Works from a Toon Tumblers brand clear pint glass with Batman and his logo painted on it. Does it make it hard for people to understand if I say I'm drinking water from a Batman glass? The former is too much information for a general conversation, the latter is enough detail for people to know what you're talking about. Sometimes the specifics help the conversation or help people understand what you're talking about, sometimes it does not.


Specificity is only helpful among individuals in shared, esoteric conversation, or occupational related uses.
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I literally say things like, "Hey! Go get me that thing. You know, the one that does the stuff.", and I a proud of it! The purpose of language is to communicate so as long as people understand what I am talking about, I have succeeded.
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Posted 8/27/14
Along with the cling film is hook and pile vs Velcro and in-line skates vs Rollerblade.
Velcro and Rollerblade being a company brand name for the product, yet people use them to describe what they're looking for.
Why? because it's a more well known brand name.
What happens when a brand name becomes a commonly used name: the company may need to find a new name, at worst.

As for the gun example, same can go for tools.
You ask for a wrench, I can ask if you want an adjustable, socket, spanner, pipe, open, box, combination, hex, torque, or spider wrench, among many others.
You want pliers? Needle-nose, tongue-and-groove, slip-joint, lineman, locking, Circlip, or round-nose; even crimps, pincers, and side cutters (diagonal) are considered pliers.
Don't forget that people also refer to them by their company names usually too: Crescent or Channel Lock are the ones that come directly to mind.
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You want to throw out terms and phrases that are easily understood? Isn't it a bit difficult to hold a conversation when one or even all involved are confused, especially when it comes to unrecorded conversation? At least when something is written down, typed, or recorded on film/tape/disk, people can readily research long before replying. Even so, if someone uses both specifics and generalized terms, there's still a fault in assuming that the audience are all on the same page. Plus, we have a dilemma of giving out loads of arguably unnecessary information versus too little. Can you imagine the sort of problem that arises in the event of a shooting victim having to give even more details while talking to an operator or paramedic, as he's bleeding out? Like generalizing, being specific is a double-edged sword.
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Posted 8/27/14
i'm all for proper names. knowledge is power.

spelll cheack iz teh devel tho.
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Posted 8/27/14

mdmrn wrote:


Realtaliation wrote:

Because umbrella terms are easier for associating an item or word to an image. Your example is katana, but I ask what kind? Nihonto or shinken? AK-47? What kind? AK-47 I/II/III, Type 56, AKMS, AKM, AMD-63/65, M70, PM md. 63, etc? For assault rifles it make no difference from nation of origin and mechanism of functionality. They are all designed to go *boom*, and to sensationalize news articles and media ratings. People do not care so much for specifics, sadly. Very catastrophic in an instructional setting.





I'm pretty impressed you found a gif from 1992.

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Maybe you just have to chill out a bit. If there is only one type of foam around, any time someone talks about 'foam' it is implied they are referring to the foam that is nearest, unless specified. That is common sense.
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Why is it that people seem to ignore proper names of items. I mean really is it so hard to say katana when referring to a katana not really, but many people say samurai sword, which while correct is not near as accurate. I mean really a samurai sword could refer to katana or a wakizashi or an odachi. Why is it that people love using ambiguous word and then get mad when someone uses a more accurate word. I was talking to my sister and mother and we were talking about crafting and they were getting mad at me. Because I kept calling it EVA foam and not craft foam and they took it as me talking down to them but I was just being more precise. I was not talking about polystyrene or polyethylene or polyurethane, I was talking about EVA foam. Its like they took it as an offense that I was not use ambiguous terms. I mean really stuff has proper names, we should use them more often. I mean really what is up with everyone using umbrella terms I hate it. Stop saying kung fu and karate and shit call it what it is the styles have proper names and should be respected by using them. The media needs to stop calling them assault rifles and call them what they are ar-15, ak-47. fn-2000, scar, yes they are all assault rifles but they are all distinctively unique. Maybe I'm a little OCD about names and calling things what they are but really would it kill people to start making a few more distinctions. I mean really I maybe a liberal but I am not a democrat, I may be christian but I am not a catholic or a baptist.


No offense but..... you sound like a really annoying person to be around. Most people don't get mad from being told the proper name for something.. But if the CORRECTOR is sounding obnoxious or comes off as dick which can be done without actually trying to.. then yeah... So far you're kinda doing it for me with this post.. You're too high strung for my circle.
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Posted 8/27/14
Imagine a world where everything was referred to by their exact, specific names... God, the pedantry... It's too much.
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Posted 8/27/14
They went somewhere...

Maybe the Moon?
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