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Posted 8/29/14

trollface251 wrote:

This anime can get you into it. even though makoto is in fact a huge d-bag through the entire series it is a very interesting and real feeling anime...This can happen in real life people and probably have happened to people. Its how a lot of teenagers are to be honest. This series can mess with your emotions, but i enjoyed i recommend to everyone, but people don't end up like makoto.

This a review i wrote a while back


Debatable. Teenagers gossip, especially those in School Days. You'd think they'd catch on faster than they would. Can you also explain what you mean by your teenager comment?
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Posted 8/29/14

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


trollface251 wrote:

This anime can get you into it. even though makoto is in fact a huge d-bag through the entire series it is a very interesting and real feeling anime...This can happen in real life people and probably have happened to people. Its how a lot of teenagers are to be honest. This series can mess with your emotions, but i enjoyed i recommend to everyone, but people don't end up like makoto.

This a review i wrote a while back


Debatable. Teenagers gossip, especially those in School Days. You'd think they'd catch on faster than they would. Can you also explain what you mean by your teenager comment?


It's not like its a bad show it just doesn't have a justified ending imo
Posted 8/29/14 , edited 8/29/14

maffayoo wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


trollface251 wrote:

This anime can get you into it. even though makoto is in fact a huge d-bag through the entire series it is a very interesting and real feeling anime...This can happen in real life people and probably have happened to people. Its how a lot of teenagers are to be honest. This series can mess with your emotions, but i enjoyed i recommend to everyone, but people don't end up like makoto.

This a review i wrote a while back


Debatable. Teenagers gossip, especially those in School Days. You'd think they'd catch on faster than they would. Can you also explain what you mean by your teenager comment?


It's not like its a bad show it just doesn't have a justified ending imo


I think it's a poorly executed deconstruction of the harem genre. The visual novel was passable for me. (Maybe because it was an eroge.)
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Posted 8/29/14
It's not a deconstruction. It's not a deconstruction. It's not a deconstruction.
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Posted 8/29/14
Oh, hey. A thread about School Days where there are actually some people who aren't calling it the "WORST ANIME EVAAR!" But still... I'm not... Just... Nope. Not gonna get involved.

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Posted 8/29/14 , edited 8/29/14
I can't .. I really can't think about this again. Bye --
But let me just say, you're not alone in this, believe me. You're not.
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Posted 8/29/14
I haven't seen School days yet, but I know I need to see it just because of the ending. I was looking at the Forum post 'Most shocking endings' and all I pretty much saw was 'School Days, School Days, School Days, Code Geass, School Days, School Days,School Days'. I love a controversial ending
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Posted 8/29/14
Can't you find guys like that in real life? If you met a Makoto in reality, will you hate him too?
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Posted 8/29/14

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rentadawg wrote:

School Days is right up there on my list with Clannad/ romance types, since they both take different approaches. No ridiculously dense male leads and scenarios were they act all shy and keep their feelings hidden well into their 2nd-3rd year in highschool, I expect this from girls, not guys.


How the hell was Makoto not ridiculously dense? He seemed to be the one of the most oblivious male leads I've seen in a long time.


He didn't care about their feelings, even Sekai brought it to his attention about Kotnoha's feelings towards him. And he wasn't dense about some of the girls being attracted towards him. 4 of them showed up at his front door to get freaky.
Posted 8/29/14 , edited 8/29/14

rentadawg wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


rentadawg wrote:

School Days is right up there on my list with Clannad/ romance types, since they both take different approaches. No ridiculously dense male leads and scenarios were they act all shy and keep their feelings hidden well into their 2nd-3rd year in highschool, I expect this from girls, not guys.


How the hell was Makoto not ridiculously dense? He seemed to be the one of the most oblivious male leads I've seen in a long time.


He didn't care about their feelings, even Sekai brought it to his attention about Kotnoha's feelings towards him. And he wasn't dense about some of the girls being attracted towards him. 4 of them showed up at his front door to get freaky.


Read my earlier rant post about why I think Makoto is an idiot.


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No offense, but Makoto was a complete an utter idiot. In order to have the plot progress, he had to not break up with Kotonoha in order to cheat on her with Sekai, but here's the problem. HE DID NOT GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT KOTONOHA AT ALL, NOR DID HE RECEIVE ANY BENEFITS OF TRAILING HER ALONG (like actual sex). Some attribute his unwillingness to break up with her to cowardice, but he cheats on Sekai numerous times. He doesn't have sex with Kotonoha till the penultimate episode(s), and even then that's ambiguous as to if they actually did it. He had no benefits to continuing the relationship, so the problem is why didn't he break up with her? In order to have her go psycho crazy, of course. Been a long time since I played the visual novel, but if you (eventually) broke up with Kotonoha, she would be pushed out of the storyline.

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Posted 8/29/14

rentadawg wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


rentadawg wrote:

School Days is right up there on my list with Clannad/ romance types, since they both take different approaches. No ridiculously dense male leads and scenarios were they act all shy and keep their feelings hidden well into their 2nd-3rd year in highschool, I expect this from girls, not guys.


How the hell was Makoto not ridiculously dense? He seemed to be the one of the most oblivious male leads I've seen in a long time.


He didn't care about their feelings, even Sekai brought it to his attention about Kotnoha's feelings towards him. And he wasn't dense about some of the girls being attracted towards him. 4 of them showed up at his front door to get freaky.


he was having five-somes for fun at 16 props to the guy
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If I had a nickel...


... for every time I have to say "go play the (localized, legally available) VN" when these topics come up.
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Posted 8/29/14 , edited 8/29/14
I watched School Days knowing full well what was coming, so I enjoyed it. I don't know if I would feel the same way if I had been ambushed, but I think that my initial wtf would have gone away fairly quick.

There are a lot of guys like Makoto. Is he an ass? Yes, he is. Would a lot of guys run into problems if a bunch of attractive girls started throwing themselves at them in high school? Yes, they would. Would they take things this far? A lot of them would. At that age a lot of kids don't have a firm grip on the concept of consequences. I had my own experiences in my early twenties, and while things never got nearly this far out of hand (I am still alive after all), I did some things I am not proud of. The truth is, you never know for sure exactly what you will do until you are in the situation.

The anime reminded me of the song the "The Freshmen" by the Verve Pipe
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Posted 8/29/14
there are 21 school days endings they animated one of them.

it so happens they choose the bad one. every eroge is pretty much like this, they on the other hand happened to animate the good end, well the not so stabby end.

you cannot forget oreimo also has bad end which ends up getting you killed, but you do not hear people complain about that. aside the incest.
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IMPORTANT PREFACE: I have not actually seen School Days.

However, the concept of "deconstruction" is one that exists outside of particular shows, so I don't mind dropping in my thoughts.

First off, "deconstruction" in this sense is a noun. In the context here, the question is: Is School Days a deconstruction of the harem genre?

So, there are a couple important points in that question.
1) School Days=?=deconstruction
It is the show itself that is the deconstruction, not an action by the viewer/audience/critic after having seen the show. In other words, Loomy does not have to point out the flaws of the genre using School Days as a medium for his argument. Rather, School Days itself is the argument. It is the deconstruction. The show is burdened with pointing out the flaws of the genre, not the audience.

2) Of the harem genre
You deconstruct genres, not particular shows. And genres are not made up of particular shows, but of the sum whole and the overlapping parts of the shows in the genre. Genre is, of course, a ridiculously fluid concept (almost, in my opinion, to the point of being useless)—but the point is that when we talk about deconstruction, we are talking about a comparison to the genre which the show inhabits. And that's not something you can get away from. Yes, the text is the text (I consider myself a formalist, so this truly is my own stance on things), but it's foolish to totally ignore the context in which the show exists.

What a Deconstruction Is and Is Not
Firstly, it's really important to note that "deconstruction" in the form we commonly use it in the anime fandom is not an academic term, but a colloquial one. It's one that's more or less been given a phenomenally nebulous definition.

The most common definition that I have found is that a deconstruction is a show that "deliberately" (in quotes because see below section) sets out to make choices that diverge from the tropes and commonalities of the genre. (Here is a really good example of this in action with WIXOSS being compared to the Children's Card Game genre.)

Now, because I haven't actually seen School Days myself, I can't make a statement on whether or not School Days specifically makes choices to challenge and separate itself from the conventions of the genre. And then, through that, is it making a statement on the genre or is it just trying to be different? I don't know; you guys will have to bang that out yourselves.

On Intent
BlueOni, you're making some good points, but this is sort of an "author is dead" moment (here comes my formalism, just fyi)—it doesn't matter if the creator were intending to make School Days a deconstruction. It still can be, even if they didn't mean it to be.

On Why None of This Matters Anyways (According to iblessall)
"Deconstruction" is a wildly impotent and useless label to apply to a show, if you ask me. Like a premise (as I wrote about not long ago), whether or not something is a deconstruction is NOT an indication of quality. You can have deconstructions that are good or bad shows based on other merits. Simply being a deconstruction is no merit to the show. It's just a characteristic, and whether or not that trait actually adds quality or value to the show depends on the execution.

For example, I can make decent, logical-sounding arguments for the following statements.

1) Free! is a deconstruction of male-targeted fanservice.
2. WIXOSS is a deconstruction of Madoka.

The fact that I can probably convincingly argue (for the sake of argument, but still) for both of these points proves just how ambiguous the term is.

And, again, even if Free! were to be a deconstruction of male-targeted fanservice, that doesn't automatically make it a valuable media experience. It's just a thing.


TL;DR—To determine if School Days is a deconstruction, follow these steps.

1) What genre would it be deconstructing?
2) Does it make choices that specifically depart from the conventions of the genre?
3) In making those divergent choices, does it make a statement on the genre (from Loomy's definition—"in order to reveal [the genre's] inadequacy)?
4) Does it even matter if it is a deconstruction?
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