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Posted 8/29/14 , edited 8/29/14

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Seriously this going too far, so I'll keep this short.

I won't lie, you bring up some good points and I might not have been looking at this hard enough.

I'm not going to deny that things like School Days happen, but it is not a normal thing. That's what I'm trying to say. If you think things like School Days happens all the time, then I don't know what to say to you. It's rare thing, it's an extreme. That's all there is to it and that's all I was trying to say. It's not unrealistic (well I would go into this further, but I'll hold back the ranting), but it's VERY RARE.

And trust me dude, if you don't think I know what happens in the real world then you're completely and utterly wrong. I've been in many situations and have seen many things, so don't worry about nothing. I know many people that are like this as well, so don't be trying to make me look like I'm someone that lives under a fucking rock.

What I'm saying is that a lot of the characters is this show throw out their morality and started acting like complete sluts and some of these characters even acted out of the character, which made be like, "she would actually do that?" Maybe it's just because they're humans and they simply lost their common sense through lust, but like I said, it's to the extreme. It got to the point that girls were throwing their bodies Makoto like it was a sport. I just don't buy that, especially considering who Makoto is and what he did. I don't buy that almost every girl that Makoto interacted with was a slut deep down. I just don't, I'm sorry. It just seemed so ridiculous, which is why I say it's an exaggeration of a real world situation.

Also BlueOni brought up a good point about the deconstruction. It probably never intended to be one, but it has a lot of elements showing that it's similar to being one.
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Posted 8/29/14 , edited 8/29/14

LoomyTheBrew wrote:

Seriously this going too far, so I'll keep this short.

I won't lie, you bring up some good points and I might not have been looking at this hard enough.

I'm not going to deny that things like School Days happen, but it is not a normal thing. That's what I'm trying to say. If you think things like School Days happens all the time, then I don't know what to say to you. It's rare thing, it's an extreme. That's all there is to it and that's all I was trying to say. It's not unrealistic (well I would go into this further, but I'll hold back the ranting), but it's VERY RARE.

And trust me dude, if you don't think I know what happens in the real world then you're completely and utterly wrong. I've been in many situations and have seen many things, so don't worry about nothing. I know many people that are like this as well, so don't be trying to make me look like I'm someone that lives under a fucking rock.

What I'm saying is that a lot of the characters is this show throw out their morality and started acting like complete sluts and some of these characters even acted out of the character, which made be like, "she would actually do that?" Maybe it's just because they're humans and they simply lost their common sense through lust, but like I said, it's to the extreme. It got to the point that girls were throwing their bodies Makoto like it was a sport. I just don't buy that, especially considering who Makoto is and what he did. I don't buy that almost every girl that Makoto interacted with was a slut deep down. I just don't, I'm sorry. It just seemed so ridiculous, which is why I say it's an exaggeration of a real world situation.

Also BlueOni brought up a good point about the deconstruction. It probably never intended to be one, but it has a lot of elements showing that it's similar to being one.


Well, yes i bring up good points. I'm stating the absolute truth. All of it. In a way, you can't say School Days isn't a normal thing. What is normal to you, may not be normal to another and vice-versa. It happens in life. Is it shocking and upsetting? Yes. Does it happen everyday like a ritual? No, probably not. Well it seems we had a change of mind where that is concerned. You're welcome.

Well, that's good that you've been in real world situations. Your posts with disregard to death did make me have suspicions though.

I wouldn't necessarily say they acted out of character when it came to sleeping around. Kotonoha maintained her innocence for a good portion of the show and Sekai slowly reached the point she was at. Those girls were throwing themselves at Makoto because of their interest in rumors they heard.

Well, BlueOni's point about deconstruction is agreeing with my point so...thanks i guess. It does not set out to prove or had the intent of proving something to contrast things in it's genre. That word deconstruction get thrown about so easily it's funny, and half the time people using it have no idea what they're talking about.
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so I just got done watching school days and I had to hold myself back from punch my laptop like a crap load of times. I mean holy fuc....crap what the hell is wrong with that dude. has anyone else wanted to just shoot themselves over this anime because it pissed you off so much?

please tell me how you feel about this anime because I don't want to feel alone in this.


What have you done...

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Well.. it's based on a hentai game which has the same VA's as anime. I was surprised when they made an anime out of the story. I'l say it was pretty well done.
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Posted 8/29/14

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GoSickSilver wrote:

so I just got done watching school days and I had to hold myself back from punch my laptop like a crap load of times. I mean holy fuc....crap what the hell is wrong with that dude. has anyone else wanted to just shoot themselves over this anime because it pissed you off so much?

please tell me how you feel about this anime because I don't want to feel alone in this.


What have you done...



What's sad is that so far this thread is far more rational and coherent than the SAO II thread.
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AnimeKami wrote:


GoSickSilver wrote:

so I just got done watching school days and I had to hold myself back from punch my laptop like a crap load of times. I mean holy fuc....crap what the hell is wrong with that dude. has anyone else wanted to just shoot themselves over this anime because it pissed you off so much?

please tell me how you feel about this anime because I don't want to feel alone in this.


What have you done...



What's sad is that so far this thread is far more rational and coherent than the SAO II thread.


just wait til taili comes in.
Posted 8/29/14

Well_Spoken_Man wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:


GoSickSilver wrote:

so I just got done watching school days and I had to hold myself back from punch my laptop like a crap load of times. I mean holy fuc....crap what the hell is wrong with that dude. has anyone else wanted to just shoot themselves over this anime because it pissed you off so much?

please tell me how you feel about this anime because I don't want to feel alone in this.


What have you done...



What's sad is that so far this thread is far more rational and coherent than the SAO II thread.


That's actually pretty sad. I was expecting an bevy of "this anime sucks" rather than people debating whether or not it is a deconstruction and all that as if the show was worthy of praise. *In my opinion.
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School Days was a pretty decent anime, but the VN was better.
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Posted 8/29/14 , edited 8/29/14

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You're using too much pretentious prose iblessall, just FYI.

My running definition for a deconstruction is that it pulls an idealized or unrealistic convention closer to reality. For example, most fairy tales end with "... and they got married and lived happily ever after." But a deconstruction might end with "They got married, but their marriage fell apart within five years and there was a messy divorce and custody battle."

Because it's an idealized trope featuring two people caught up in the moment who barely know each other.

It's important that the marriage still happens, because that's the convention being deconstructed. But it takes an idealistic, fanciful convention central to a type of story that conveniently ignores a lot of things that could go wrong and plays it in a more straight or realistic way. It's a question of "If this world were real, how would things actually play out?"

Not a deconstruction, but a conceptual illustration of the idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmp-dhCMgak

An example from NGE is if Shinji and Asuka grew up experiencing what they experienced, would they be your vicarious upbeat shounen heroes who overcome all challenges with good luck, hard work, determination and a bright outlook on life? And Anno's answer is no, they'd be PTSD-laden teenagers in desperate need of massive doses of counseling.

It deconstructs the convention of the isolated yet stoic shounen mecha pilot. I also agree authorial intent is irrelevant, if I throw a stone I can tell you where I intended it to go but that doesn't change the fact that it might've gone somewhere else because I tripped or there was a strong wind or something came between it and what I was aiming at, etc.

Confirm/deny? I might be thinking about it too narrowly, not sure.

PS: I haven't seen School Days either.
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iblessall wrote:


You're using too much pretentious prose iblessall, just FYI.

My running definition for a deconstruction is that it pulls an idealized or unrealistic convention closer to reality. For example, most fairy tales end with "... and they got married and lived happily ever after." But a deconstruction might end with "They got married, but their marriage fell apart within five years and there was a messy divorce and custody battle."

Because effectively it was a shotgun wedding between two people caught up in the moment who barely knew one another.

It's important that the marriage still happens, because that's the convention being deconstructed. But it takes an idealistic, fanciful convention central to a type of story that conveniently ignores a lot of things that could go wrong and plays it in a more straight or realistic way. It's a question of "If this world were real, how would things actually play out?"

Not a deconstruction, but a conceptual illustration of the idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmp-dhCMgak

An example from NGE is if Shinji and Asuka grew up experiencing what they experienced, would they be your vicarious upbeat shounen heroes who overcome all challenges with good luck, hard work, determination and a bright outlook on life? And Anno's answer is no, they'd be PTSD-laden teenagers in desperate need of massive doses of counseling.

It deconstructs the convention of the isolated yet stoic shounen mecha pilot. I also agree authorial intent is irrelevant, if I throw a stone I can tell you where I intended it to go but that doesn't change the fact that it might've gone somewhere else because I tripped or there was a strong wind or something came between it and what I was aiming at, etc.

Confirm/deny? I might be thinking about it too narrowly, not sure.

PS: I haven't seen School Days either.


Both of you! Go watch school days!
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Seriously...watch it and see it "deconstructing the harem genre" ugh-ha ugh-ha.


Yaoi is deconstructing the boy-girl romance genre, ugh-ha ugh-ha.
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I'd consider it at $50/hour with a paid lunch break.

And I'll have to watch it twice, to be sure I've seen and contextualized everything correctly. With a few hours after viewing to think on the experience. Plus restitution for any emotional disquietude not to exceed $10,000 per unhappy thought.

Episode 12 is free of all charges though, because Nice Boat.
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Seriously...watch it and see it "deconstructing the harem genre" ugh-ha ugh-ha.


Yaoi is deconstructing the boy-girl romance genre, ugh-ha ugh-ha.


BoyxGirl relationships are inadequate irl.
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Let's proceed with a formal analysis, then.


iblessall wrote:

1) What genre would it be deconstructing?


Harem.


2) Does it make choices that specifically depart from the conventions of the genre?


No. Though it is characteristically different from the lighthearted comedies which make up a great bulk of the harem genre, there is nevertheless a broad subcategory of dramatic harem stories which School Days blends in too well with to qualify as having properly broken conventions.


3) In making those divergent choices, does it make a statement on the genre (from Loomy's definition—"in order to reveal [the genre's] inadequacy)?


No, School Days is merely a dramatic harem series rather than a comical one. It makes no attempt to deliver a statement about comical harem series, but rather simply plays its drama according to established standards.


4) Does it even matter if it is a deconstruction?


No. You've made a compelling case for a story's status as a deconstruction being a characteristic which is entirely uncorrelated with quality or artistic value. School Days offers an effective delivery of conventional drama, but little in the way of critique thereof.

I have learned much, bless.
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