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BlueOni can't be one of the only ones to understand it...and if she is, i can see why certain shows are rated higher than others. Fascinating.
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LoomyTheBrew wrote:

Seriously this going too far, so I'll keep this short.

I won't lie, you bring up some good points and I might not have been looking at this hard enough.

I'm not going to deny that things like School Days happen, but it is not a normal thing. That's what I'm trying to say. If you think things like School Days happens all the time, then I don't know what to say to you. It's rare thing, it's an extreme. That's all there is to it and that's all I was trying to say. It's not unrealistic (well I would go into this further, but I'll hold back the ranting), but it's VERY RARE.

And trust me dude, if you don't think I know what happens in the real world then you're completely and utterly wrong. I've been in many situations and have seen many things, so don't worry about nothing. I know many people that are like this as well, so don't be trying to make me look like I'm someone that lives under a fucking rock.

What I'm saying is that a lot of the characters is this show throw out their morality and started acting like complete sluts and some of these characters even acted out of the character, which made be like, "she would actually do that?" Maybe it's just because they're humans and they simply lost their common sense through lust, but like I said, it's to the extreme. It got to the point that girls were throwing their bodies Makoto like it was a sport. I just don't buy that, especially considering who Makoto is and what he did. I don't buy that almost every girl that Makoto interacted with was a slut deep down. I just don't, I'm sorry. It just seemed so ridiculous, which is why I say it's an exaggeration of a real world situation.

Also BlueOni brought up a good point about the deconstruction. It probably never intended to be one, but it has a lot of elements showing that it's similar to being one.


Well, yes i bring up good points. I'm stating the absolute truth. All of it. In a way, you can't say School Days isn't a normal thing. What is normal to you, may not be normal to another and vice-versa. It happens in life. Is it shocking and upsetting? Yes. Does it happen everyday like a ritual? No, probably not. Well it seems we had a change of mind where that is concerned. You're welcome.

Well, that's good that you've been in real world situations. Your posts with disregard to death did make me have suspicions though.

I wouldn't necessarily say they acted out of character when it came to sleeping around. Kotonoha maintained her innocence for a good portion of the show and Sekai slowly reached the point she was at. Those girls were throwing themselves at Makoto because of their interest in rumors they heard.

Well, BlueOni's point about deconstruction is agreeing with my point so...thanks i guess. It does not set out to prove or had the intent of proving something to contrast things in it's genre. That word deconstruction get thrown about so easily it's funny, and half the time people using it have no idea what they're talking about.


This will be my final reply:

First off I'll just say my point 2 and point 4 are wrong. I'll give you that. Actually, if I could I would rework my response, but I was acting kind out of acting upon emotion last night and didn't really think rationally about what I was saying, but I still think some of my points aren't completely out of left field.

Through Blue Oni's, iblessall, and insomnist's explanations I've learned that the deconstruction argument I was making wasn't too clear since I didn't know what it was exactly, but now I do.

But don't going around waving your dick being, "I was so right!!!!!" This just makes not even want to argue with you, are you really that sure of yourself? God damn dude.

And one last thought on Makoto: Was he misguided? Ya, he probably was. Was he acting at out personal gain and safisfaction? Ya he was. Was he acting as some real world people? Probably. But does that make it ok or forgivable? In my opinion, hell no. I don't care who you are or how ignorant you might be (I'm talking figuratively here, not actually you), if you go around using people and continue to make bad choices for your own personal gain, I say that makes you a bad person. Through and through. Did he commit a crime? Not really, but are you going to let that justify his actions? Just because he didn't commit a crime doesn't mean he isn't bad. He is a terrible person. He never once felt bad for what he did except maybe at the end, though I think he felt bad about himself more than what he did the other girls. Still if he did somehow realize his faults, how acted like a asshole for disregarding Sekai and his unborn child. He lost his moral and went off the edge. You might be more forgiving than me, but I believe in holding people accountable for their actions. Makoto maybe could have grown into a better person if he didn't die, but (this is an extreme example) maybe Hilter could have realized his faults too if he didn't die when he did. Does that make any of their actions forgivable and does that make them a better person? I say no. I think that's too easy of a pass. Makoto is no Hilter, but he did some god awful things and that would stick with him forever, and maybe he could have gotten better as time went on but we didn't see that. He died as a bad person, just like how Hilter died as a bad person. I have zero respect Makoto, and to his core he showed that he was just a user and he probably would have continued to be one since even after he supposedly realized his faults at the end, he still treated like Sekai like crap. I would say, he was too far gone and he became a scumbag and died as a scumbag.

Now before you tell me how wrong I am, I'm just letting you know I will not respond no matter what. I'll let other people do the talking and people can take this as they will. So people can disregard this, fine, but this is how I truly feel about Makoto.
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LoomyTheBrew wrote:

This will be my final reply:

First off I'll just say my point 2 and point 4 are wrong. I'll give you that. Actually, if I could I would rework my response, but I was acting kind out of acting upon emotion last night and didn't really think rationally about what I was saying, but I still think some of my points aren't completely out of left field.

Through Blue Oni's, iblessall, and insomnist's explanations I've learned that the deconstruction argument I was making wasn't too clear since I didn't know what it was exactly, but now I do.

But don't going around waving your dick being, "I was so right!!!!!" This just makes not even want to argue with you, are you really that sure of yourself? God damn dude.

And one last thought on Makoto: Was he misguided? Ya, he probably was. Was he acting at out personal gain and safisfaction? Ya he was. Was he acting as some real world people? Probably. But does that make it ok or forgivable? In my opinion, hell no. I don't care who you are or how ignorant you might be (I'm talking figuratively here, not actually you), if you go around using people and continue to make bad choices for your own personal gain, I say that makes you a bad person. Through and through. Did he commit a crime? Not really, but are you going to let that justify his actions? Just because he didn't commit a crime doesn't mean he isn't bad. He is a terrible person. He never once felt bad for what he did except maybe at the end, though I think he felt bad about himself more than what he did the other girls. Still if he did somehow realize his faults, how acted like a asshole for disregarding Sekai and his unborn child. He lost his moral and went off the edge. You might be more forgiving than me, but I believe in holding people accountable for their actions. Makoto maybe could have grown into a better person if he didn't die, but (this is an extreme example) maybe Hilter could have realized his faults too if he didn't die when he did. Does that make any of their actions forgivable and does that make them a better person? I say no. I think that's too easy of a pass. Makoto is no Hilter, but he did some god awful things and that would stick with him forever, and maybe he could have gotten better as time went on but we didn't see that. He died as a bad person, just like how Hilter died as a bad person. I have zero respect Makoto, and to his core he showed that he was just a user and he probably would have continued to be one since even after he supposedly realized his faults at the end, he still treated like Sekai like crap. I would say, he was too far gone and he became a scumbag and died as a scumbag.

Now before you tell me how wrong I am, I'm just letting you know I will not respond no matter what. I'll let other people do the talking and people can take this as they will. So people can disregard this, fine, but this is how I truly feel about Makoto.


This is exactly why i said, "Loomy...lmao. Nevermind".

I already knew how the conversation would end up after seeing you claim those things. School Days is not a new anime for me, i've already had time to examine it. When did you see it, two weeks ago? So yes, i am that sure of myself. I'm waving around my "dick" as you say because you came to me with fictitious responses and insane ideals.

I'll just ignore the Hitler comparisons, i think you could think of someone more suitable than him. Just...google it lol

But you said you wouldn't respond either way so...gg? I noticed you.
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Insomnist wrote:
You're using too much pretentious prose iblessall, just FYI.

"Impotent" and "phenomenally nebulous" probably were a little too much, weren't they?


I do wonder if your example is so specific that it ends up being trope deconstruction, not genre deconstruction. At least the way I see it, for it to be genre deconstruction, it has to be pretty wide in scope—like encompassing (if not all) at least the majority of the genre's conventions. Just something to think on, I guess. You could probably convincingly argue that the "married and lived happily ever after trope" is so inherently bound to the fairy tail that to deconstructing it is equivalent to deconstructing the genre, though.


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I have learned much, bless.

Omigosh someone actually used it. And you did a nice job, too!

I'm pretty flattered.

I guess one qualification that could be made for a deconstructive piece having value as such would be if it is acting as a criticism of a genre/trope/etc. that is harmful—and an argument could be made that the harem genre is indeed a harmful, or at least negative, one. But that is more of an ethical-moral consideration than one of artistic or craft.
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LoomyTheBrew wrote:

You might be more forgiving than me, but I believe in holding people accountable for their actions.

I'd just like to point out the continuum between Makoto's actions being forgivable and their being justification for homicide is... very wide... I don't think anyone is saying what he did was alright, only that <insert Gandalf speech here>.

That's about as much as I can say without having seen the actual series, I think.
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$40 to buy the game. ----> School Days HQ - English/Uncensored
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Now I have a problem with everyone pointing the blame solely on Makoto, yeah I believe he ended up a major scumbag putting is dick in anything that would wide for him that was warm and wet (In a way can you blame him? That's like taking a starving fat man to an all you can eat buffet and not expect him not to eat.) . But that aside I believe that Sekai was almost as much at fault as he was for the way things turned out. She manipulated Makoto just about the whole time and she screwed over both Setsuna and Kotonoha in the process, the whole thing started out with her wanting to help Setsuna because it was her that originally wanted to be with Makoto and he was in Sekai's class. So i believe that she had already fallen for Makoto and Setsuna seeing it and backed away. And how Sekai manipulated Kotonoha by just stepping in and taking over as Makoto's "lover" and messing with her head.

I don't think either one deserved to die but, they certainly deserved some real nasty Karma X10

And yeah all the other girls at school that were to eager to hop on the pony ride need to take blame on that as well.... For that matter none of the guys said anything either even though they all knew what was going on and how messed up it was getting. He acted like a young animal and they all let him.

This show deals with so many complex issues, that kinda surprised me quite a bit.
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Actually Makoto acts how some boys these day do... though no girl did that to a guy... as far as I know.
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Hated every second of this anime...except the boat. The boat was nice.
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naaaaaaah this anime
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Night_Eagle wrote:

Hated every second of this anime...except the boat. The boat was nice.


It was a nice boat, I didn't even realize she was from a rich family... until then.

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Pretty much worth it.
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$40 is very cheap for a legal copy.



Anyhoo, doesn't harem mean just having a bunch of girls/guys be infatuated with you? That's possible in real life. No need to lead others on and all that jazz.
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What I mean by the teenagers is mostly about guidance wise. Sorry I wrote that a while back before forgot to include some things. To me though Makoto is so misguided and not punished for his actions cause who is there to tell him that stuff is wrong. Sekai was also no help considering she gave him the totally wrong perspective and made him think easier sex is better than an actual relationship. Honestly I enjoyed school days, it was not the worst anime like people claim people just see death and a guy who likes sex. Many fail to look at the actually depth of the anime. I would rate it 9/10
Posted 8/29/14 , edited 8/29/14

trollface251 wrote:

What I mean by the teenagers is mostly about guidance wise. Sorry I wrote that a while back before forgot to include some things. To me though Makoto is so misguided and not punished for his actions cause who is there to tell him that stuff is wrong. Sekai was also no help considering she gave him the totally wrong perspective and made him think easier sex is better than an actual relationship. Honestly I enjoyed school days, it was not the worst anime like people claim people just see death and a guy who likes sex. Many fail to look at the actually depth of the anime. I would rate it 9/10


Adults can be misguided too. As for the depth, I admit, it tries, but it fails horribly as a drama in my opinion. Everyone were flat shells of human beings, and no damns were worth giving to any of the idiot cast. I neither cared for the characters nor found the events themselves interesting. It has an idiot plot unworthy of praise. This is just my opinion.
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