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Are women objects?
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-WARNING: I myself in no way dislike women. This topic is to be taken seriously, and thought about at all angles. It's a different way of thinking. If you come here just to criticize, I suggest you do not comment. These are simple facts, but taken from personal experience over my years of life , that's all.-

First off, no they certainly are not .

We all hear about the post-feminists or feminazi's of today rebelling in their own "cause" for equal rights, pay, or whatever it is anymore. They get into the smallest things to the largest... with the largest, being onto something like "cat-calling" on the streets, certain compliments, men just looking at their beauty, or in the most extreme cases, rape.

Again, I am in NO way shaming the woman image. I'm pretty passive, but observant. I am a human male, and I will act like a normal human male with what is thrown at me on a daily basis today. Don't expect every male to be held on a leash or act like a hard-Christian, because we are just as diverse as women. Rape and other acts of violence against women do happen daily, but I'd rather savor that to the mentally-ill, (both male and female).

Back on track though, I'd like to get back on the main point... but, to think of it in a different venue. "Are women objects?"... personally, no they are not. Obviously. But, has anyone thought about the simple and easiest points to even classify this title? Simply just about how they even got to this conclusion .

Now, what do I mean? It all goes about to how you present your own self, you image, your publicity towards others, and about your personality. I'm going to start off with a simple one, which is porn . Now mind you me, I'm not asking if you watch porn or not, but the majority of the porn industries stars are women. You'd hardly go watch porn for the man, just for the woman. The camera would be on the woman 80% of the time, and on the man about 20%. The woman more than likely chose to present herself like this, to be on camera like this, and sell herself out like this. Unless forced, not sure how you could rise to the top with probably substantial pay and be "forced". Girls are entering in the porn business right out of the age of 18, and you call males crooked? The porn industry isn't run by just men, but by both sexes.

Next is a step lower than porn: magazines , preferably Cosmopolitan or any nudie-magazine that caters to men. I didn't come out of the womb and ask for a nudie-mag to be created... it just happened. And who's in it? Women, mostly. My brother admittedly had a nudie-mag or two under his bed, and I remember him saying, "What did these girls get into? I wonder if they have husbands." Pretty blunt, but he does make a point.

Because this is so long, one more point then to wrap it up: the public , both real life and social media. Do not expect to have your skin showing on 80% of your body and NOT expect a male to look up and down. To purposely flaunt your breasts and literally have your ass-cheeks hanging out, and to expect males to look away. Personally, go ahead! Show your beauty! Seriously, I don't mind, 'nor do any other single males. I'm on Facebook and I see girls on my newsfeed that... well, would probably love the porn industry. They'll reveal so much, but still have the gold tucked away. Girls are getting pregnant more and more, even though this issue involves both sexes.

You give men, unfortunately, all the media and looks in the world that caters to sexual values, and yet you still complain on the fact that men are dogs. Men are dogs, but you're the bone in this one.

In conclusion, my most broadest point to sum it up: you can't change a male, especially what you give him . Women gave man porn, clothing for their beauty that catches the eyes of men, etc. It's all there in black and white, but you're still angry. These factors may get ill men addicted, and actually lead to a sexual crime unfortunately.

It's a mess that's been broken, and keeps breaking. I just want more class. That's all, please.

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Posted 8/30/14 , edited 8/30/14
I think class is a choice, and something we can't force on others.
Posted 8/30/14 , edited 11/19/14
I could not make any sense of that.
Posted 8/30/14 , edited 9/20/14


this is the same mentality with people who say it's the victims' fault that they get raped... well sorry for existing...
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Look, I'm gettin' real sick and tired of people honking at me or cat-calling me. Even when I'm just wearing sweats. That's proof it ain't just about the stuff we wear. It's the fact that I have boobs and a vagina, and I'm walking around. Jesus Christ.

Here's the thing, too. Men have self control, just like everybody else. How about teaching them to respect women and stop doing that stuff, yeah?
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galaxiias wrote:

Look, I'm gettin' real sick and tired of people honking at me or cat-calling me. Even when I'm just wearing like sweats. That's proof it ain't just the shit they're wearing.

Here's the thing, too. Men have self control, just like everybody else. How about teaching them to respect women and stop doing that stuff, yeah?


I agree with this statement.
Posted 8/30/14

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Look, I'm gettin' real sick and tired of people honking at me or cat-calling me. Even when I'm just wearing sweats. That's proof it ain't just about the stuff we wear. It's the fact that I have boobs and a vagina, and I'm walking around. Jesus Christ.

Here's the thing, too. Men have self control, just like everybody else. How about teaching them to respect women and stop doing that stuff, yeah?


nice sweats qtp2t
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nice sweats qtp2t


thanx dont they just compliment my barely-seen lower half?? bought them at wal mart. XXL.

Posted 8/30/14 , edited 9/14/14

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1. Back on track though, I'd like to get back on the main point... but, to think of it in a different venue. "Are women objects?"... personally, no they are not. Obviously. But, has anyone thought about the simple and easiest points to even classify this title? Simply just about how they even got there .



2. It's a mess that's been broken, and keeps breaking. I just want more class. That's all, please.



1. Women got "there" because throughout nearly the entirety of human history, they have been considered the inferior sex and were relegated to little more than men's property.

2. Actually it's gotten remarkably better considering gender equality was something we didn't take seriously until relatively recently.
Posted 8/30/14

galaxiias wrote:


ShoeboxAndCo wrote:


nice sweats qtp2t


thanx dont they just compliment my barely-seen lower half?? bought them at wal mart. XXL.



Wow, swanky. I didn't know you were rich.
Posted 8/30/14

ShoeboxAndCo wrote:


galaxiias wrote:


ShoeboxAndCo wrote:


nice sweats qtp2t


thanx dont they just compliment my barely-seen lower half?? bought them at wal mart. XXL.



Wow, swanky. I didn't know you were rich.


Th average wage of a walmart shopper is 33k annual. Too rich for me.
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WONDERFUL "Objects" unto which We, the Male are required to Shower with Love, Diamonds, and the finest Anime around on a Daily basis.
Posted 8/30/14

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ShoeboxAndCo wrote:


galaxiias wrote:


ShoeboxAndCo wrote:


nice sweats qtp2t


thanx dont they just compliment my barely-seen lower half?? bought them at wal mart. XXL.



Wow, swanky. I didn't know you were rich.


Th average wage of a walmart shopper is 33k annual. Too rich for me.


Are you trying to further my inferiority complex?
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Hi,

Moving this over to Extended Discussion, which is set up for these more deep kinds of topics.

All I can say is you seem down on men, especially with comments like "Men are dogs". I may be an animal, a primate, etc, but I am not ruled by instincts. You can throw a slab of meat in front of a wolf, and it will attack. You can chum the water and sharks will frenzy. But I can see a woman and not leer or look her up and down or anything else, no matter how physically attractive, because instincts don't control me.

(Also, women like porn, too. It's not just a guy thing... and not all guys like porn, either, before someone jumps in with "not all women like porn". For that matter, there are tons of varieties of porn, so just because what you watch is mostly focused on a woman and only occasionally on a man, that doesn't mean they're all like that.)
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Ugh I find this thread repulsive but I guess I'll answer.

Women are people, men are people. Everybody is human. Quit assigning stupid roles and stereotypes to specific genders, it's unnecessary. The people in porn are in porn because they made the choice to be, the people who watch porn watch it because they want to. If you can't control yourself in public when you see somebody you consider attractive that is your own fault, not the fault of the person you are looking at. It's this kind of mindset that leads to blaming victims for rape.

I know plenty of women who get harassed every single day regardless of what they are wearing. This has very little to do with the clothes on their body and a lot more to do with ridiculous people who can't control themselves when they see every woman as a walking pair of boobs and a vagina. Furthermore, if I hear one more ridiculous comment about class I am going to explode. Humans have free will and their own opinions, it's none of your business whether somebody is acting with class or not. People can wear whatever they want and act however they please and if you don't think it's classy I have bad news for you, it's not your decision to make.

Just start treating people like they are people and control your ridiculous urges. The fact that you could even consider it worth debate that women are objects of any sort is absolutely disgusting to me.

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