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Are women objects?
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Posted 8/30/14 , edited 8/30/14
Um no?
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Posted 8/30/14
OP, your rant was a bit confusing. First of all, I'm pretty sure that 99%+ of the female population is in no way affiliated with the porn industry. So I do not understand how the relatively few women who take part in it is even remotely relevant to general social etiquette. However, I do agree that if a woman is attractive it is difficult to avoid looking at her. I think it is normal for people to look at people they find attractive. Regardless the gender of observer/observed. How long does the look have to last before it becomes impolite I wonder? I avoid making eye contact, talking to, or being within 10' of attractive women, so hopefully that's polite enough. (Although I do so mostly out of shyness)
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Posted 8/30/14 , edited 9/14/14
Of course women are objects. They're generally objects of class Person which itself is derived from super-class Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Men are objects of class Person too, but for some strange reason only woman objects seem to inherit the looksCuteWearingJustAnOversizedShirt property, among certain others.
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Posted 8/30/14 , edited 9/14/14
I think you are a 20 year old guy who wrote a huge, rambling post about shit you don't even begin to understand.

I'd point you in the direction of good people to read about feminist theory, humanism, social engineering, class structure, power dynamics, or something else... but I just don't know where to start. Your post made almost no sense.
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Posted 8/30/14 , edited 9/20/14
Seems like cocaine really is a hell of a drug.
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Posted 8/30/14

tf2pyros wrote:

First off, no they certainly are not .


We're off to a good start.


We all hear about the post-feminists or feminazi's of today rebelling in their own "cause" for equal rights, pay, or whatever it is anymore. They get into the smallest things to the largest... with the largest, being onto something like "cat-calling" on the streets, certain compliments, men just looking at their beauty, or in the most extreme cases, rape.

Again, I am in NO way shaming the woman image. I'm pretty passive, but observant. I am a human male, and I will act like a normal human male with what is thrown at me on a daily basis today. Don't expect every male to be held on a leash or act like a hard-Christian, because we are just as diverse as women. Rape and other acts of violence against women do happen daily, but I'd rather savor that to the mentally-ill, (both male and female).

Back on track though, I'd like to get back on the main point... but, to think of it in a different venue. "Are women objects?"... personally, no they are not. Obviously. But, has anyone thought about the simple and easiest points to even classify this title? Simply just about how they even got to this conclusion .


So what you're really wanting to discuss is sexual harassment and objectification. Proceed.


Now, what do I mean? It all goes about to how you present your own self, you image, your publicity towards others, and about your personality. I'm going to start off with a simple one, which is porn . Now mind you me, I'm not asking if you watch porn or not, but the majority of the porn industries stars are women. You'd hardly go watch porn for the man, just for the woman. The camera would be on the woman 80% of the time, and on the man about 20%. The woman more than likely chose to present herself like this, to be on camera like this, and sell herself out like this. Unless forced, not sure how you could rise to the top with probably substantial pay and be "forced". Girls are entering in the porn business right out of the age of 18, and you call males crooked? The porn industry isn't run by just men, but by both sexes.


The main point here being that since pornography actresses are voluntary participants in the production of material which they are fully aware objectifies them this particular sort of objectification is ethically sound?


Next is a step lower than porn: magazines , preferably Cosmopolitan or any nudie-magazine that caters to men. I didn't come out of the womb and ask for a nudie-mag to be created... it just happened. And who's in it? Women, mostly. My brother admittedly had a nudie-mag or two under his bed, and I remember him saying, "What did these girls get into? I wonder if they have husbands." Pretty blunt, but he does make a point.


You're simply reemphasizing that the women involved in the production of these materials are voluntary participants in their own objectification, right? As for your brother, his main point seems to be implying that women who participate in the production of pornography as actresses and/or models are engaging in immoral activities.


Because this is so long, one more point then to wrap it up: the public , both real life and social media. Do not expect to have your skin showing on 80% of your body and NOT expect a male to look up and down. To purposely flaunt your breasts and literally have your ass-cheeks hanging out, and to expect males to look away. Personally, go ahead! Show your beauty! Seriously, I don't mind, 'nor do any other single males. I'm on Facebook and I see girls on my newsfeed that... well, would probably love the porn industry. They'll reveal so much, but still have the gold tucked away. Girls are getting pregnant more and more, even though this issue involves both sexes.


I think here you're arguing that women are objectified when we dress in a sexually provocative way because we've dressed in a sexually provocative way. Displaying cleavage is inviting men to view us as nothing more than cleavage, so to speak. Is that it?


You give men, unfortunately, all the media and looks in the world that caters to sexual values, and yet you still complain on the fact that men are dogs. Men are dogs, but you're the bone in this one.


There, you see? You just did it. You just said that a woman who dresses provocatively is an object, and your main argument for self-absolution is that she has objectified herself by dressing in a way she is aware will spur your sexual urges. That's not a convincing stance, really. It assumes that men completely lack self-control, that they simply must stare at every breast they see. What's more, it assumes that men are never responsible for having done so since women made a voluntary choice to display cleavage knowing full well that men are so devoid of self-restraint. We simply should've known and expected we'd be objectified if we wore a blouse which reveals cleavage, so our objectification is entirely our own fault.

The conclusion is simply a reiteration of the above, so there's no need to include it.
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Posted 8/30/14 , edited 9/14/14


All of my THIS.
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Posted 8/31/14
No they are not. They are people and should be treated as such.
Posted 8/31/14
Should replace the title from 'objects' to 'submissive' lol
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Posted 8/31/14 , edited 9/14/14
I can go to the grocery store looking like a homeless man with chink eyes and still get hit on. It's not rocket science to know that the way people are treated varies differently from who they are dealing with. My clothes have nothing to do with it, sorry.
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Posted 8/31/14

tf2pyros wrote:

You give men, unfortunately, all the media and looks in the world that caters to sexual values, and yet you still complain on the fact that men are dogs. Men are dogs, but you're the bone in this one.


So you are saying that women are doing this to themselves? I don't really understand how these things you mentioned (porn, magazines, clothes) would make anyone an object?
I think that what you learn at home has the most to do with this issue. Mentally ill people are a completely different thing.


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Posted 9/1/14
Tricky question depends on the women, some chicks like being treated like objects.

But in the end our bodies are equal shitbags of the same nature so no cause for indifference.

However we are made efficiently better no offense ladies
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Posted 9/1/14 , edited 9/9/14
Are women objects?

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Posted 9/1/14 , edited 9/9/14
So by this logic... the gay men in gay porn... make it okay to objectify all men? Those tight jeans, those cowboy hats... those various form fitting wrestling outfits? I'm lost... what were we talking about?
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It doesn't take an expert to strip someone with their eyes.
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