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Since we've already had a pretty solid, reasonable answer I suppose it's my job to give a ridiculous one.

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We'd all be living in Wonderland, because a world without the United States is madness.

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More "Americans" would be biracial.... The French and to a degree the Spanish were more interested in miscegenation rather than segregation. There is even the possibility that many Native Americans would have been able to keep more or maybe even all of their autonomy. It would be kind of interesting to dig into the possibilities that new waves of immigrants would have been directed differently without the overwhelming influence of the Brits.

If you go on the assumption that NO colony would have survived then you'd be looking at the native cultures evolving into great nations of their own.... Although they would probably have encountered the same types of problems that middle-eastern tribal cultures had at the beginning of the modern era. (WW1) Who would have been the Lowrance of Arabia for them? When would that transition happened? How would those cultures come to terms with differing beliefs and customs?

How would England or any of the nations of Europe fared in light of the religious revolutions that fueled groups like the Puritans crossing the sea to escape the grasps of The Church of England and the Catholic Church?

Questions, questions . . . questions...



Seems more logical. lol.
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But weren't the 13 colonies British? They fled the "new land", or never arrived.
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A lot of great discussion here. There are so many factors at play here when it comes to what caused the 13 colonies to not exist. Assuming the British never colonized the American continent would be the most logical reason for this to happen. The British would then, most likely have colonized somewhere else especially based on their penchant for Imperialism at this time in history.

Without British influence, we'd have a Dutch section, French section, and Spanish section to the area currently known as the United States. The Dutch controlled a good portion of modern NY/NE and also portions of the "West Indies" before the British drove them out. The French controlled modern day Canada (most of it), Russia controlled Alaska (kind of), Spain controlled modern day Florida, Mexico, Texas, the Southwestern US, and California. The French controlled a good chunk of the middle of the modern US starting from Louisiana. I'd imagine the French would remain in power longer than the Spanish, as they did in the real world. But what other ripple effects occur?

Others have discussed those who wanted to escape persecution leaving for the Americas from Britain. Would they have went to a different British colony? Australia? Hong Kong? South Africa? Would they have remained in the United Kingdom and leading to a vastly more religiously diverse UK?

What about France? The French Revolution was partially inspired by the Revolution in the US. Without a Revolutionary War with the 13 colonies, the French Revolution may have been delayed.

It's a fascinating thought study.
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A lot of great discussion here. There are so many factors at play here when it comes to what caused the 13 colonies to not exist. Assuming the British never colonized the American continent would be the most logical reason for this to happen. The British would then, most likely have colonized somewhere else especially based on their penchant for Imperialism at this time in history.

Without British influence, we'd have a Dutch section, French section, and Spanish section to the area currently known as the United States. The Dutch controlled a good portion of modern NY/NE and also portions of the "West Indies" before the British drove them out. The French controlled modern day Canada (most of it), Russia controlled Alaska (kind of), Spain controlled modern day Florida, Mexico, Texas, the Southwestern US, and California. The French controlled a good chunk of the middle of the modern US starting from Louisiana. I'd imagine the French would remain in power longer than the Spanish, as they did in the real world. But what other ripple effects occur?

Others have discussed those who wanted to escape persecution leaving for the Americas from Britain. Would they have went to a different British colony? Australia? Hong Kong? South Africa? Would they have remained in the United Kingdom and leading to a vastly more religiously diverse UK?

What about France? The French Revolution was partially inspired by the Revolution in the US. Without a Revolutionary War with the 13 colonies, the French Revolution may have been delayed.

It's a fascinating thought study.


Another fascinating take on this (:
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On the subject of France, we're talking about the period where enlightened despotism was being used as an alternative to both traditional absolutism and what ultimately became liberal democratic republicanism. The success of the American Revolution certainly spurred movement toward the latter along, but I wonder if its excision from history would have extended the life of enlightened despotism appreciably or if Enlightenment ideas had been so widely accepted by that point that the legitimacy of absolutism of any sort was already rotted beyond rescue.

I suppose the French Revolution might have been delayed if peoples' social and economic conditions were improved by the increased French influence over North American land and resources (resulting in widespread general apathy), but then what if that increased economic prosperity and trade actually accelerated the destruction of the aristocracy by greatly reducing the material difference between nobles/royals and common people? Under such conditions the arguments advanced by liberal democrats might've become even easier to embrace.
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Here, we see all the history buffs gathering in one place. It's truly fascinating!
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