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Should Planned Obsolescence Be Illegal? Possible Solutions?
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Posted 9/1/14 , edited 9/1/14
lelelelel You guys need to study more, and by that study the moore`s law


pc of 2 years is half priced
pc of 4 year is obsolete
why? because we need more power for day to day use such 1080p on pc with a or shazam , or you think that in the nokia 3310 would you use shazam?

The last time I checked My Pentium MMX would lag a lot on Crunchyroll 720p



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law
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I can't say anything about your phone vs theirs without knowing the make, model, and original retail price of your phone.

My eight year old Sidekick 3 (original retail price over $300) survived plenty of abuse during its day as my primary phone. Most impressively it survived a ~6 foot drop onto concrete flooring with only superficial cosmetic damage and requiring me to superglue a small plastic piece back into place to keep the screen from rotating all the way. It also survived without even a blemish on the screen. Or rather, the protective piece of plastic over the screen.

The Sidekick however was a bulky beast. It had to be, to support the fancy screen flipping, the best keyboard ever mounted on a phone, a trackball, four buttons, and the larger electronics of the day required to run all that shit. So what happened?

Touch screens.

Touch necessitated a change in materials and allowed the banishment of the keyboard (woe). Advances in electronics allowed miniaturization. This meant phones needed less bulk, less total plastic to package all their gadgetry in. Tolerances became tighter and components got closer to "the surface" of the phone. Some of that was out of necessity for touch: a touch screen could never be protected as well as the actual screen on my old Sidekick.

In short, they lost their armor, sacrificed for more "smart" capabilities. Take any dumb phone, and you can pretty much guarantee it'll survive more abuse than a smartphone, simply because of looser tolerances and just plain less important shit to break.

The backplate on my Sidekick was thick and rugged. The backplate on my current phone, a Galaxy S Relay (Galaxy S3 hardware, but with a KEYBOARD ) is comparatively thin and flimsy. It doesn't have huge bumpers either, though it does have a small rim going around the top, which was just enough to save the screen from scratching when the phone fell out as I was getting out of the car one day and landed face down on the concrete. (Oddly enough that's a feature my old Sidekick lacked)

And having said all that, the next biggest reason for the appearance of planned obsolescence in phones is their short upgrade cycles. Two to three years is about average for most. At that rate, considering with reasonable care a phone can easily last well beyond that, why bother?
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Posted 9/1/14 , edited 9/11/14

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Planned obsolescence doesn't mean that something accidentally breaks easier, it means that something is designed to no longer be useful after a certain time frame. like how an old cellphone charger no longer works on newer phones or how certain connector specs change every few years so you have to update devices. It can also mean something wears out quicker but I'd say that's more in the realm of cost cutting rather than planned obsolescence.


"A common method of deliberately limiting a product's useful life is to use inferior materials in critical areas, or deliberately suboptimal component layouts which cause excessive wear."

Inferior materials would result in a weaker, more accident prone object, wouldn't you agree? From what it says, there are different types of planned obsolescence and what you stated was one of them.


Note I said "accidentally", which it seemed some were describing, like the headphone example. I tried (poorly) to differentiate between something failing prematurely and failing after its nominal lifespan. Sure things are designed with shorter lifespans like light bulbs rated at 15K hours while others are rated at 20K hours (example numbers) but they wren't designed that way so they need to be replaced more often (though that can be a bonus), they were designed that way using fewer/cheaper materials to sell at a lower price point. I actually get to participate in the design and development of electronics (though you'd never guess from my pay ) and I've never seen an instance where substandard parts or design was intentionally used to shorten the lifespan of a product or cause premature failure, it's ALWAYS to save $/unit. I just think that kind of planned obsolescence is at best secondary to cost and at worst extremely rare. Not to even mention all the extra headache and expense incurred if a company is ISO, FDA or any of any myriad other certifications out there.
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planned obsolescence.. screw that.
i bought a 30 year old car. 3 grand says i keep it running another 30 years. 37mpg, 50 mpg if i try hard enought. 1500 lbs car, 1 liter.
I SAVE THE ENVROMENT BY RECYCLEING!
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IngramIV wrote:

lelelelel You guys need to study more, and by that study the moore`s law


It hasn't been mentioned because it has nothing at all to do with the topic.
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It's both an interesting and a VERY sad Topic, Eddy...It has simply come down to a true WORST CASE scenario. The theoretical "Technological singularity" instance makes Me laugh. At the rate "THIS CORPORATION" and "THAT CORPORATION" continue harvesting Our Planet's natural resources, Conglomerates who give NO damn about anything Other than Their wallets and sating Their OWN greed, will have LONG left Our Species GONE from Pollution...Idiocy...Hopefully Asteroids or Aliens...It'd serve Us right. To be quaint, those People SIMPLY...DON'T...CARE about either You, nor I. ALL BE DONE in the Name of "One SERIOUSLY F'D UP Agenda". Our initiatives for Living are both expanding even larger...Responsibilities, and things NEEDING to be re-thought Out are in the hands of People who know, nor CARE to know any of the "Commoners" difficulties.Things just seem...for the WHOLE of Us, to be going to Hell in a hand-basket". That's why Education is an importance...We need brilliant minds to discover Other, possibly new methods regarding...WELL...I'd say, both the care of THE PLANET, and the care of HUMANITY...

Might be corny...still, YOU NEVER know what "THINGS" are TRULY WORTH UNTIL THEY ARE GONE...Wow, have "We" made Existence an "advanced" difficulty rather than it should be. In the End, I still try to think as Positive and optimistic as I can, even despite at times, the realization that this hypothetical "Plane" We are on, has ALREADY lost power to it's engines, and began plummeting over the edge into the inescapable abyss in which waits nothing. How do I go about Living despite the failures? Simply HELPING ANOTHER...COOPERATION...Heck, lending a SMILE or just saying a few kind Words to Someone that You are around in Your everyday Life...That feeling is better than ANY amount of Money I can horde away. Giving is how We survive. Making, instead of taking...CONSUMING...

In the End... <3
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Isn't all technology that's created inherently destined to become obsolete anyway? If government were to pass laws to force manufacturers to make sturdier and longer lasting goods, not only would prices skyrocket for them, it would also slow down technological growth for the next generation because instead of spending time working towards "the next big thing", they're instead trying to find ways to keep current technology fully functional in 5 years.

It's pretty similar to the previous console generation in how each of them overstayed their welcome significantly and it slowed growth pretty drastically in all forms of the game industry because they had to work with outdated hardware.
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nemoskull wrote:

planned obsolescence.. screw that.
i bought a 30 year old car. 3 grand says i keep it running another 30 years. 37mpg, 50 mpg if i try hard enought. 1500 lbs car, 1 liter.
I SAVE THE ENVROMENT BY RECYCLEING!


Exactly what everyone talking about, Chances are your car will outlive most cars made in the last 10 years. Why? Because it was made to last i,e the Parts are made from high quality metal/plastic. This Statement is only Backing up OP's point.
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evilotakuneko wrote:



Ohh interesting... I completely forgot the aspect of miniaturization. And you do have a point about the touch screen. Thanks for the explanation!
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Posted 9/2/14 , edited 9/2/14

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I can support this.
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Posted 9/2/14 , edited 9/11/14
Should be illegal, but sadly is not.
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I guess it's more so of "you can have one thing or the other" would you rather have attractive details or an ugly shape?
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Vodash wrote:

Isn't all technology that's created inherently destined to become obsolete anyway?


Depends on what you're talking about. I can still get a lot of good use out of these:



It is lighter, cheaper, more durable, more portable, and more reliable than any of those whirring monsters in peoples' kitchens could ever hope to be. Unless we stop canning for some reason the P-38 will absolutely never become obsolete.


If government were to pass laws to force manufacturers to make sturdier and longer lasting goods, not only would prices skyrocket for them, it would also slow down technological growth for the next generation because instead of spending time working towards "the next big thing", they're instead trying to find ways to keep current technology fully functional in 5 years.


Not true. After all, motor vehicles are required to be constructed such that they meet minimum safety and performance standards (to include standards concerning their durability in accidents) and yet new models with all the widgets your wallet can handle are still coming out.


It's pretty similar to the previous console generation in how each of them overstayed their welcome significantly and it slowed growth pretty drastically in all forms of the game industry because they had to work with outdated hardware.


Let's assume the Japanese market for Nintendo, Sega, and Sony consoles, and the North American market for Microsoft. Let's also ignore peripherals and handhelds for the sake of simplicity.

PS - 1994 (Japan)
PS2 - 2000 - 6 years
PS3 - 2006 - 6 years
PS4 - 2014 - 8 years*

XBox - 2001 (North America)
XBox 360 - 2005 (North America) - 4 years
XBox One - 2013 (North America) - 8 years

Famicom - 1984
Super Famicom - 1990 - 6 years
Nintendo 64 - 1996 - 6 years
Gamecube - 2001 - 5 years
Wii - 2006 - 5 years
Wii U - 2012 - 6 years

Master System - 1985
Genesis/Megadrive - 1988 - 3 years
Saturn - 1994 - 6 years
Dreamcast - 1998 - 4 years

*PS4 released in North America in 2013

Apart from the XBox 360 and Sega's bonkers release schedule, I'm not seeing any significant irregularities in the timing of new console releases. The standard seems to be that a generation is about 6-7 years long. If Nintendo can release the Gamecube and Wii in 5 that's not "early", is it? Why should 8 years be "late" for the XBox One or 7 for the PS3?
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Yeah, until we hit the wall and transistors can't go any smaller.

I think graphene is gonna be the next solution.

Not quantum Computing.
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Posted 9/2/14 , edited 9/2/14

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Yeah, until we hit the wall and transistors can't go any smaller.

I think graphene is gonna be the next solution.

Not quantum Computing.


Moore's law has historically always been predicted to last for at least another decade or so, hence I don't think it'll be going away any time soon.

There's a wall like that for current technologies in 2019, but already researchers have some potential ways around it. There are some (rather different) approaches that would allow for very small transistors, based on memristors and other novel discoveries.

Quantum gate computers are obviously a long way off, since they can hardly even make small ones work well in labs. There are other unconventional computing platforms being developed, though. Neurogrids look really interesting right now. If they can cut the production costs as they say, they could make for some very useful co-processors.
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