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Taiga's technically NOT a tsundere?
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Contains spoilers for those who haven't watched the show

So, recently I was watching a Youtube video of a guy who was praising Toradora, and I'll agree it was a very good show. However, one of the points he brought up (and went into more detail on in the comment section) was how Taiga isn't a tsundere. A tsundere is technically, at least by modern definition, a character who struggles to come to terms with their romantic feelings for a character, and often resorts to violence out of confusion/acts cold. Taiga likes Kitamura for the majority of the show, and is perfectly accepting of the fact she likes him and even though she acts shy and fiddly around him, she never backs out by attacking him; she just goofs up a lot.

If anything she tries to be nice to him as much as possible, to make him fall for her. When she IS violent, it's not out of romantic feelings, rather because she's just generally violent towards people who annoy her (e.g. mocking her size, being taunted by Ami etc.) and a tad unstable given her poor relationship with her parents in the past. In other words, she acts like a tsundere, but her actions aren't carried out for the reasons a tsundere would. To call her that would be an oversimplification of her character of 'she's hitting him because she likes him' when that's not the case. Actually, towards the end of the show, don't her violent tendancies towards Ryuuji start to tone down as well?

Anyway, what do you think about that? It was the first time I'd heard anyone claim she isn't a tsundere, and on the evidence he presented, I might just be inclined to have my mind change as well, unless someone can convince me otherwise.

Edit: Video link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fEkFtmIRU0 His point starts at 3:00
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Sounds like a tsundere to me.

edit: her VA alone makes her a tsundere.

edit2: her sexy VA
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AnimeKami wrote:

Sounds like a tsundere to me.

edit: her VA alone makes her a tsundere.

edit2: her sexy VA


He also brought that up in the comments too:

"Rie Kugimiya also voice Shannon from Umineko, Rise from Persona 4 and recently, Urisu from WIXOSS. All not tsunderes.
Just because a seiyuu gets typecasted a lot doesn't mean that all of their characters are that particular typecast.

Its like saying that HanaKana only voices the cute moe characters when she has voiced characters like Ichiko from Binbougami ga!, Ono Daisuke has your typical bishounen when he has voiced people like K from VLR and Takehito Koyasu as your loud voiced and evil villain when he voiced Kyouhei from Date A Live."
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I question when in the anime did Taiga ever wanted to make Reiji fall for her? Instead of it just happened because the realization that they spent time together and they slowly started to be attracted to each other.

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AnimeKami wrote:

I question when in the anime did Taiga ever wanted to make Reiji fall for her? Instead of it just happened because the realization that they spent time together and they slowly started to be attracted to each other.



I never said she wanted to make Ryuuji fall for her, I said she wanted to make Kitamura fall for her.
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I think the characters in Toradora are deep enough that slapping labels on them is doing them a disservice. Does Taiga show tsundere characteristics? Sometimes. But not all the time.
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AnimeKami wrote:

I question when in the anime did Taiga ever wanted to make Reiji fall for her? Instead of it just happened because the realization that they spent time together and they slowly started to be attracted to each other.



I never said she wanted to make Ryuuji fall for her, I said she wanted to make Kitamura fall for her.


Right... and the love interest at least the ending love interest was Ryuuji.

If at the end the person she was cold towards her love interest. This screams tsundere.

I want to say kitamura was used as fluffer.
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Posted 9/8/14 , edited 9/8/14

AnimeKami wrote:


BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:

I question when in the anime did Taiga ever wanted to make Reiji fall for her? Instead of it just happened because the realization that they spent time together and they slowly started to be attracted to each other.



I never said she wanted to make Ryuuji fall for her, I said she wanted to make Kitamura fall for her.


Right... and the love interest at least the ending love interest was Ryuuji.

If at the end the person she was cold towards her love interest. This screams tsundere.

I want to say kitamura was used as fluffer.


But she wasn't cold to him because she loved him and couldn't express her feelings properly, she was only ever cold if he annoyed her, because her parent-child relationship was bad, and that alone doesn't make a tsundere.
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I should mention that I dislike the fact that everyone only seems to know toradora for the sake of knowing toradora and that toradora is the only thing they mentioned because toradora is the only thing they have seen.

run on sentence, just watch more anime.
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I think tsundere is can be much more general than simply romantic feelings.

Generally, it just means someone who struggles to express feelings, and so acts violently/harshly as a defense mechanism. In that sense, Taiga definitely qualifies.

I mean, the romance piece isn't all there is to her character. So why limit the definition of the archetype what is only a piece of what makes up Taiga?
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BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:

A tsundere is technically, at least by modern definition, a character who struggles to come to terms with their romantic feelings for a character, and often resorts to violence out of confusion.

A tsundere is someone who has trouble showing their softer side to other people, romantically or otherwise. The confusion isn't necessarily about what they feel, but how to express it since they're extremely shy of vulnerability.

Also being a tsundere is not identified by how they treat their romantic interest. It's a personality type, an in-love tsundere is an in-love tsundere, but if they're not in love with anyone for awhile they don't stop being a tsundere.

We just generally see the broadest range of tsundere behavior occur within romantic situations.
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BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:

A tsundere is technically, at least by modern definition, a character who struggles to come to terms with their romantic feelings for a character, and often resorts to violence out of confusion.

A tsundere is someone who has trouble showing their softer side to other people, romantically or otherwise. The confusion isn't necessarily about what they feel, but how to express it since they're extremely shy of vulnerability.

Also being a tsundere is not identified by how they treat their romantic interest. It's a personality type, an in-love tsundere is an in-love tsundere, but if they're not in love with anyone for a period of time they don't stop being a tsundere.

We just generally see the broadest range of tsundere behavior occur within romantic situations.


Even then she still isn't a tsundere, is she? For all the time she loves Kitamura she never struggles to be kind to him. She struggles to show her soft side to Ryuuji not because she's in love with him, but she doesn't really feel she needs to because she doesn't love him, at least for the majority of the show. By the time she DOES realise she loves him I don't recall her trying to act incredibly tough.
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BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:

Even then she still isn't a tsundere, is she? For all the time she loves Kitamura she never struggles to be kind to him. She struggles to show her soft side to Ryuuji not because she's in love with him, but she doesn't really feel she needs to because she doesn't love him, at least for the majority of the show. By the time she DOES realise she loves him I don't recall her trying to act incredibly tough.

The whole story of Toradora happens because Tiaga has trouble expressing herself or showing vulnerability. She was trying to write Kitamura a love letter and then freaked the fuck out when she accidentally put it in Ryuuji's bag.

If Taiga wasn't a tsundere the whole event that sparks the series never would've happened and we'd have no story.
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.....Taiga is a SS Class Tsun.

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Posted 9/8/14 , edited 9/8/14

Insomnist wrote:


BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:

Even then she still isn't a tsundere, is she? For all the time she loves Kitamura she never struggles to be kind to him. She struggles to show her soft side to Ryuuji not because she's in love with him, but she doesn't really feel she needs to because she doesn't love him, at least for the majority of the show. By the time she DOES realise she loves him I don't recall her trying to act incredibly tough.

The whole story of Toradora happens because Tiaga has trouble expressing herself or showing vulnerability. She was trying to write Kitamura a love letter and then freaked the fuck out when she accidentally put it in Ryuuji's bag.

If Taiga wasn't a tsundere the whole event that sparks the series never would've happened.


But is struggling to express get their feelings across alone enough to gain the label of a 'tsundere'? If that's the case then 99% of anime females are tsunderes due to struggling to tell the person they love how they feel. In fact after some quick research it seems a tsundere is generally someone who acts cold before eventually opening up their softer side. She never acts cold to Kitamura, she simply loves him. When she acts cold to Ryuuji, she doesn't simultaneously love him as well, and it's the same with Ami. When she's in love, the tsun part isn't there, therefore she isn't a tsundere.
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