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Anime Fandom In Changing Times
Posted 9/9/14
Over the past whatever amount of years, I'll say a decade, anime has gotten relatively popular outside of Japan. From what I can gather, and I'm not a sociologist or census taker, the countries that have taken to it most are the US, Australia, the UK, and parts of South America. There's large fanbases there that keep growing, and it's now come to the point where I may even ask the question, "Is anime mainstream" in some places?

Don't answer that. There are two sides to this. There's the side who are characterized by hatred of dubs, Attack on Titan, and SAO, and those who find anime on Tumblr and Neflix, watch only dub, and really only like it for its "nerdy" label.

I'm asking this because anime has really split lately. I go on Youtube and stupidly read the comments, forums, social media whatever, and there's a really clear line dividing the "fandom". The more dedicated cannot stand the "posers" and the posers don't get the dedicated with their big terms and big manga collections.

Videos like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WawrfHBsCCA , and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4CnxOv56hY are good places to see this firsthand.

It's fine I guess. I am part of the first group, who hate dubs, Attack on Titan and all that. But if this is the starting point for these kids and people who aren't really fully into anime yet, why deject them from going further into it? Metal has Metallica, video games has Super Mario, and anime has DBZ and AOT. These are all starting points for people to get deeper into it. If you stop there, you're just posing, but if you have a genuine interest in it and want to go further, I support it.

The only thing I heavily disagree with is the dub issue. I hate English dubs in anime, and always will, and people who say they don't watch subs because they can't read or it's too fast really grind my gears.


TL;DR Anime fans are split, why is that and what can be done to change it

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Posted 9/9/14
Every fan base is split.

People are allowed to have differing opinions.

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Posted 9/9/14 , edited 9/9/14
Different persons have different preferences. As long as we all like anime, I see no reason for change.

I feel the same way towards English dubs, but I have to disagree with the last part. I think that some people prefer it over subs because they get weirded out when they hear another language.
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Posted 9/9/14
I've hated English dubs since I was a kid watching Godzilla movies on Sunday mornings. By the time someone screamed, they'd already been stomped and Godzilla was over fighting the tanks. . .
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Posted 9/9/14
I'm a sub watcher myself but I disagree with that last part. Some people genuinely prefer the dubs despite also being able to watch subs with no problems.

Fanbases do seem to be growing outside of Japan though. I've heard from Japanese people who are puzzled about why 10% of the people in their anime cons in Japan are Americans.
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Posted 9/9/14 , edited 9/9/14
Guess I'm not good enough to fit in with either team.

lol During my childhood to mid-teenage years, I spent alot of time silently begging to watch any anime, so I don't really care if they're dubbed or subbed, and I'm not very picky about what I'm willing to watch. When you grow up with the expectation of, if you're lucky, getting to watch maybe four episodes of anime over the course of one or two years, it can make you easy to please.


I don't see much of a problem with the anime fandom being "split," since we're still pretty cohesive.
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Posted 9/9/14 , edited 9/11/14
lol i watch both dub and subs.

Subs are best for anime's that are based in Japan (gintama, highschool anime's) because there are alot of jokes that revolve around Japanese words and pronunciations.

Japanese voice actors tend to be a bit better when it comes to the wide array of vocal pitches they can create due to the languages ability to be easily dramatized.

I watch dubs for any anime that is based outside of japan that has people of many ethnicity's in the character roster. Japanese voice actors are absolutely atrocious at speaking in any foreign language and doing any foreign accent (however its expected due to the Japanese language not pronouncing certain letters and vowels)

I watch dubs for shows like Baccano, Black Lagoon and Full metal alchemist. English voice actors are better at achieving the proper voice for a character of a different ethnic back ground.

Dubs for shows like attack on titan, tend to be a bit poor due to the lip syncing being done for the Japanese language; added to the already adrenaline filled voice acting that has to convey a certain tone and atmosphere, it is a massive hurdle to recreate the same tone in another language.


Alot of people say English voice actors dont care about voice acting and that is absolutely bull shit . you have no idea how hard it is to voice act for anime, it is EXTREMELY hard. you have to love your job to do it. Trying to create a voice that matches a character that has been voiced previously (by a voice actor speaking in a different language) is extremely hard. If you think they are not trying, go try voice acting for yourself and see how much stress they are put under.

I Dont see why people even need to fight about whats better, i personally enjoy both. There are some dubs i fucking hate with a burning passion, and there are some dubs that are MUCH better than the subbed counterpart.

I often watch subs more often because there are alot more voice actors and actresses that i love.


To be honest, i think people need to get the fuck over themselves. If you honestly think liking subbed anime, makes you any cooler than someone who watches dubs, your just a self entitled asshat.

Anime is meant to be enjoyed by anyone; whether that be someone watching it dubbed or subbed. I am glad there are dubs out there, as it makes it more accessible to newcomers. Which in turn means, more money to help develop the industry and create even greater shows
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Posted 9/9/14
There are probably a lot of people who appear casual, but are bigger fans, yet don't want to show it due to the stereotype of an "anime fan". It's a real shame so many people tarnish anime by acting like 5 year old fools.
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Posted 9/9/14 , edited 9/9/14
Splits in fanbases are common.

I myself am regularly annoyed by an acquaintance of mine who is a fellow anime fan and likes to abuse the Japanese language in everyday conversation. He likes to call our friends by "-kun", -"chan", "-senpai", etc. while adding in "Kawaii" and other obvious/overly used Japanese words. XD Maybe he's relatively newer and more enthusiastic about the fandom, but he's a 20 year old college student and to me it sounds just a bit ridiculous.

As for the dub/sub issue, I've never had anything against dubs. But some dubs are definitely a lot better than others. I've gone back to watch dubs of anime I used to watch as a kid and only now notice how weird they sounded. XD And yet there are still other anime I prefer in dub, as well as many that I have no preference for.

But it's probably inevitable that all sorts of people will enter your fandom, and not all of them will enjoy it in the same way or to the same degree that you do.
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Posted 9/9/14
Anime fans are split because no fandom will every be completely in sync. People get superiority complex and think they have the right to call other members of their fanbase "posers" or "enjoying it the wrong way" and that causes huge splits for stupid reasons.

I personally like both dubs and subs. There is both great dubs, horrible dubs, and ones in-between; same with subs. If people wanted a more united fan base they would need some fans to get off their high horses.

Plus for dubs:
Can watch while doing something else
You can fully enjoy the anime in your native tongue(Japanese people do not watch subs, they watch anime in Japanese audio because they speak japanese.)
You can watch it with people that are not into anime yet and would be really turned off by subs.
No subtitles covering up parts of the artwork (If you learn or know Japanese then you shouldn't even watch subs you should watch it raw, Japanese audio and no subs.)

Plus for subs:
Newer anime and often available for free (legally) instead of buying physical copies for dubs
You can bypass horrible dubs (especially earlier stuff, like anime dubbed during the 80's and previous)

I wait till I watched both to see which I like. Sometimes I like the dub more, sometimes the sub more, and sometimes I like both about the same. I hate some fan complaints, more prevailent in the sub fanatic groups, that say you are not a real anime fan if you watch dubs and I hate when people call casual fans "posers" just because they only watch a little anime. I'm a huge anime fan, have several hundred anime dvds, and have even done cosplay( if you look at my avatar picture, that is an automail arm I made out of sheet metal when I was a teenager) and I wouldn't call anyone a poser because they like 3 shows and have one dvd. Anime fans are anime fans and its cool that it is becoming somewhat more mainstream (I really wouldn't call it that yet but it is becoming more known even though fewer stations seem to be airing anime.... TechTV, Toonami, Encore Action, Wam and Scifi during the 90's and early 2000's was very good for anime fans.)

I also think its funny when people that don't speak Japanese try to grade and praise seiyu acting when a native Japanese speaker would say its mediocre acting.
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Posted 9/9/14
I started off only watching dubs but I prefer subs now. I won't hate on you if you like dubs but people are missing out if they don't like subs.
In the end we are all the same because we like watching shows that keep us entertained.
Posted 9/9/14 , edited 9/9/14
I enjoy both subs and dubs - depends on the series.

For some, I prefer the sub because the voices are preferable to my ears.

For some, I prefer the dub because the voices are preferable to my ears.

I like many subs over dubs. I like many dubs over subs. End of story.

On the other hand, I cannot stand weebos, or people who hate on a dub just because it isn't Japanese and therefore cannot possibly be better. Grow the fuck up.

Anyway...Every fandom is split. Why? Because people are individuals, and have individual feelings about things. There is nothing wrong with that; when handled well, it creates a welcoming fandom of diversity and understanding where everyone can feel they belong somewhere.

The key word here is tolerance. Don't like something? You can state your opinion while not bashing others. Incapable of doing that? Then you need to grow the fuck up.
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Posted 9/9/14 , edited 9/9/14
I don't see why there's a problem with the fanbase being split. I like both popular and unpopular shows, both subs and dubs. I actually really appreciate the effort some English VA's put in e.g. Crispin Freeman. If you can't stand the case being that some people have preferences different from your own and we should all want everything to be one way that's quite the mentalcase mentality. Talk about fuckin' first world problems at their finest. For your information, no, the anime fandom isn't split in such a black and white way either. Whether that was poor wording on your part, or what you believe to be legitimately true, I've no idea. As for anime being mainstream, the only place that's remotely true is Japan. Has its popularity grown? Undoubtedly, but it's still only loved by a few million, and compared to the billions of people on Earth, it's definitely a niche interest.
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Posted 9/9/14
And we forget that we all enjoy the same thing in this fandom...anime.
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Posted 9/9/14

CherryDynamite8 wrote:


I myself am regularly annoyed by an acquaintance of mine who is a fellow anime fan and likes to abuse the Japanese language in everyday conversation. He likes to call our friends by "-kun", -"chan", "-senpai", etc. while adding in "Kawaii" and other obvious/overly used Japanese words. XD Maybe he's relatively newer and more enthusiastic about the fandom, but he's a 20 year old college student and to me it sounds just a bit ridiculous.
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