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I think most series span the space in brokenness from totally unbroken Tatsuya in "The Irregular at Magic High School" (he's only limited, not broken), to some where EVERYONE is broken and really don't get much better (Diabolic Lovers)
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AliceLilit_ wrote:


Gotcha, in that case we are giving the term different meanings. So I'll use quotation marks here rather liberally:

I think of "broken" as being in a rock-bottom emotional state. It's not that I think they're "broken" because of something (for example I don't think abuse automatically makes a person "broken") and I also don't believe it reflects a hopeless state from which someone can't return. I just think of "being broken" as "being in desperate need of healing". It can also be dramatized with a deep, even suicidal depression or a complete sense of apathy and surrender of personal agency.

In terms of Kara no Kyoukai Shiki demonstrates the deep depression arc, and Fujino demonstrates the apathy depression arc. Just as examples of ways a story can demonstrate that a character is in (or verging on) such a state.

So it's more about the outcome of the struggle rather than the fact that the struggle exists. Abuse is easy to go for here but I think it's also applicable to things like a character having their idealism shattered and how they respond to it.

If a character loses themselves hopelessly in their struggle, they're in a state of "brokenness" to me.

But yeah, I'm definitely using the term in a way analogous to a broken bone which can be set and healed (while always still bearing the scar underneath) versus a shattered vase which can never be whole again. Particularly in so much that bones knit and heal themselves when properly treated, while a vase could be painstakingly reassembled for display but only by an outsider who fits all the pieces back together with glue. The first retains agency while the second does not.

It's possibly not entirely PC of me, I'm not sure.

Edit: I also think it's possible for a character to be "broken" beyond healing though as well, barring some kind of deus ex machina intervention. I think Griffith from Berserk (post-imprisonment and pre-Eclipse) would be an example of this.

Which is particularly resonant as it parallels both his emotional/idealistic and physical states.


So earlier when you said:

AliceLilit_ wrote:

In truth I wouldn't say that any character is actually broken. I think they are just misunderstood.
It translated (in my head) to: "Your arm isn't actually broken, it's just misunderstood". To which I went:



Quick attempt at some comedic levity.

But I took out the direct quote since I wasn't sure what exactly you were getting at, forgetting it would tag you anyway.


In TvTropes terms I'm probably talking about characters who cross the Despair Event Horizon.

Good stories that can bring a character back from that I tend to like a lot.
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Eren...Ackerman?
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There are many for me to list, but on a comedic note, I just wanted to put in Ranma Saotome.




He's strong, agile, adaptive and has a sense of honor. He also has a very strong sense of manhood.

Unfortunately, one splash of cold water, and he turns into this:



And the poor guy is also phobic of the internet's greatest mascot:



And last but not least, the poor guy has mommy issues due to his dad keeping them apart since he was an infant.
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Eren...Ackerman?


lol... that just goes to show how much AOT kept my attention.

Anyway, if they ever got married I'm sure it would be Eren taking Mikasa's name so I'm not really wrong, just technically wrong.

Actually... it should be Eren Leonhart

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I Still Feel Esdeath from akame ga kill coulda been something else if she hadn't had such a rough upbringing or if she was acutally there when they all got killed but then again that probably means she dies to so who knows
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I Still Feel Esdeath from akame ga kill coulda been something else if she hadn't had such a rough upbringing or if she was acutally there when they all got killed but then again that probably means she dies to so who knows


But then she wouldn't be the dominatrix that everyone knows and loves.
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But then she wouldn't be the dominatrix that everyone knows and loves
Yeah got a point just sometimes I wonder what could have been off the littlest things could have changed the story's path
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How about Eren & Annie Jaeger instead?
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I think Kaneki is a fine example of a broken character.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Tomoko Kuroki from Watamote never really succeeds, but goddamit, she tries hard.


Actually I always took the ending in the anime to mean that she has come to terms with the fact that she is not popular, but that it also isn't important to be popular. Yes she'll always be a socially awkward little klutz, but she is cool with it and doesn't feel the pressure to change. Your right though, Tomoko is pretty broken and fun to route for.

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as for broken, i have to say roberta


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qualeshia3 wrote:



How about Eren & Annie Jaeger instead?


No, I prefer Eren Leonhart

Why can't the man take the woman's family name? In Japan it's an acceptable practice and it happens enough that you can consider it "normal." I know that other Asian countries also practice having the man take the wives family name and in the US the practice is spreading.
Personally, I'm all for it.

Life doesn't have to be so patriarchal. If I had a wife I'd take her name without a problem.
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Subaru Sumeragi from Tokyo Babylon but mostly x/1999.



There are many broken characters but its what makes them amazing. They see that they are or know they need to overcome, help themselves and others. Flaws is what makes them human and what you find and see how you can relate to them so much. You watch them slowly get better or help in the story to inspire you to have you overcome yourself. Or see they slowly become broken, understanding and knowing what that feeling is.
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Okay then.
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