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F/SN characters = Toned down Eva characters
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So I've been rushing through the FSN viz novel lately and thinking about it, and come to the conclusion that the main characters of Fate/Stay Night are quite similar to major characters in Evangelion. Allow me to explain.

Starting with the most obvious, which I think everyone will agree with, and the one that started me on this line of thought:
Rin = Asuka, with arrogance turned down enough that she doesn't elicit a "must punch now" response. (Clearly, Asuka's leftover arrogance went to Gil)

Shirou = Shinji. Although he's perfectly willing to "get in the fucking robot" as it were when it's absolutely necessary, he still doesn't want to hurt anybody. Also has Vash the Stampede syndrome and annoyingly wants to save everyone. Has the opposite Daddy Issue from Shinji: instead of fearing and loathing his father, he worships him.

Ilya = Rei without the emotionless trait. Think about it. :p

Those should've been pretty obvious, but who else can we make an argument for?

Kiritsugu = Gendo. In Zero he's easily as ruthless as Gendo. In Stay Night, he's not actually physically present but nonetheless he strongly influences Shirou. He's a better father to Shirou than Gendo was to Shinji, but Gendo also treated Rei much better than he did Shinji. Thus, the relationship between Shirou and Kiritsugu is less Shinji/Gendo, and more Rei/Gendo. Come to think of it, Kiritsugu abandoned Ilya, much like Gendo abandoned Shinji....

Kotomine = Also Gendo. The ruthless, scheming side of Gendo who sees others as nothing more than pawns in his chess game. Incidentally I've noticed that you don't really get the full force of his depravity in the animes...

And, just because it's funny and possibly disturbing to think about it: Taiga = Misato. Yeah I went there. Deal with it. XD

So, who else can you make an argument for? Does NGE have an asshole of Matou Shinji proportions?
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And Saber is?
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Clearly, Saber is Eva Unit 01. Or something.
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evilotakuneko wrote:

Clearly, Saber is Eva Unit 01. Or something.



Oh, okay.
Posted 9/14/14 , edited 9/14/14
Bit of a stretch seeing as Shirou is one of the greatest main characters of all time and Shinji is one of the worst main characters of all time.

I'm not being completely serious, but it is still a bit of a stretch. If you go into themes and motivations and all... I'd say Fate/Stay Night has more related with Mai-HiME than to NGE and yeah, I went there. [Oh, checking MAL's recommended for Mai-HiME - it seems many agree with me xD!!!!!!]

Anyways, I do appreciate you comparing the character types at least. Yes, most anime is basically a wire frame of something - the good parts are the differences [which I admit both are good even if I hated Shinji].
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Shirou? Not wanting to hurt anybody?

That's not what the Unlimited Blade Works route depicts Shirou.

Just kidding, I tried to make my post look ignorant on purpose. I bet you're still on the Fate route, and tell me, how do you think of it so far?
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........ Not all. I'm sorry, but that is just not a correct comparison.

1. Rin is completely different than Asuka. They might both be Tsunderes, but their motives are completely different and their ideals.

2. Shirou and Shinji? Did you realize what you just said? I don't even think I have to spell that one out for you. In the beginning of Fate is Shirou fine with fighting, but he's very protective of Saber. However that goes away halfway through after him and Saber grow a thicker bond and they learn to trust one another. Shirou is totally willing the fight and doesn't cower away in fear like good ol' Shinji. Shirou is far more respectable than fucking Shinji.

3. Kirisugu and Gendo? They aren't similar to each other AT ALL! Kiri and Shirou's relationship was much better than Gendo and Shinji's relationship or even Gendo and Rei's relationship. Kiri actually cared for Shirou, Gendo didn't give a shit about Shinji and he only cared about Rei because of extremely selfish reasons. They might both be ruthless, but again, their motives are completely different and Kiri for the most part had good intentions.

4. Kotomine and Gendo? Not at all. I'm now convinced that your just making this stuff up now. Kotomine loves terror and mayhem. Plain and simple. Gendo is not the same at all.

5. Illya and Rei? I just think you're joking now.

It's either you were being completely serious or you made this as a troll post, and if you did..... well, you succeed at getting a negative reaction haha.
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LoomyTheBrew wrote:

........ Not all. I'm sorry, but that is just not a correct comparison.
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Btw, until you are able to understand Shinji and EVA, you will never reach me Loomy
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Loomy........you don't want to reach Cay trust me
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h9902014 wrote:

Loomy........you don't want to reach Cay trust me


Haha I don't plan on it!
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evilotakuneko wrote:
Ilya = Rei without the emotionless trait. Think about it.


And, strangely enough, they both turn up in alternate universe manga.
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Shirou? Not wanting to hurt anybody?

That's not what the Unlimited Blade Works route depicts Shirou.

Just kidding, I tried to make my post look ignorant on purpose. I bet you're still on the Fate route, and tell me, how do you think of it so far?


I'm half way through UBW, chronologically. And yeah, Fate!Shirou is more like Shinji than UBW!Shinji, but he still has that annoying hero worship. At least so far he's less sexist in UBW. :lol:

If Shirou were to replace Eva!Shinji, he'd get in the damn robot, but then he'd worry about stepping on buildings.



LoomyTheBrew wrote:

........ Not all. I'm sorry, but that is just not a correct comparison.

1. Rin is completely different than Asuka. They might both be Tsunderes, but their motives are completely different and their ideals.


*shakes fist* Damn you, Loomy. You put too much thought into anime. They have the same attitudes--particularly toward the main character--and even look like palette swaps of each other. I can't help but compare the two. Rin's just toned down enough you don't want to strangle her.



2. Shirou and Shinji? Did you realize what you just said? I don't even think I have to spell that one out for you. In the beginning of Fate is Shirou fine with fighting, but he's very protective of Saber. However that goes away halfway through after him and Saber grow a thicker bond and they learn to trust one another. Shirou is totally willing the fight and doesn't cower away in fear like good ol' Shinji. Shirou is far more respectable than fucking Shinji.


Yes. It's a stretch. :p They both have Daddy Issues that get in the way of their fighting. They both "refuse the call" and at least try to hide from it. Shirou spends a lot of time avoiding fighting in the Fate route. In UBW, so far, battles come to him whether he wants them or not, and that's when Shirou outshines Shinji. If you bring the fight to him, he'll gladly fight, where Shinji wouldn't.

Still. Daddy Issues. :p



3. Kirisugu and Gendo? They aren't similar to each other AT ALL! Kiri and Shirou's relationship was much better than Gendo and Shinji's relationship or even Gendo and Rei's relationship. Kiri actually cared for Shirou, Gendo didn't give a shit about Shinji and he only cared about Rei because of extremely selfish reasons. They might both be ruthless, but again, their motives are completely different and Kiri for the most part had good intentions.

4. Kotomine and Gendo? Not at all. I'm now convinced that your just making this stuff up now. Kotomine loves terror and mayhem. Plain and simple. Gendo is not the same at all.


Ok, I just pulled those out of my ass at the last minute so I wasn't just comparing the main three. But come on--you can't see Kotomine doing much the same as Gendo, or Gendo doing much the same as Kotomine if their positions were reversed?

Except Kotomine would troll Shinji hard while doing it.



5. Illya and Rei? I just think you're joking now.


What? Come on. Strange hair. Red eyes. Constructed for a particular plot purpose. The main difference is they forgot to make Ilya a stoic. Oh, I guess she doesn't get mindraped by an angel, so there's that.



It's either you were being completely serious or you made this as a troll post, and if you did..... well, you succeed at getting a negative reaction haha.


Why can't it be somewhere in between? Discussion doesn't always have to be either completely serious or hardcore trolling. I just wanted to see if anyone else had noticed, and if anyone else could come up with some amusing comparisons to NGE. Lighten up, have a brewski, Brew-man.
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evilotakuneko wrote:
Rin's just toned down enough you don't want to strangle her.


It took me a second, but ... I see what you did there.

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I'm half way through UBW, chronologically. And yeah, Fate!Shirou is more like Shinji than UBW!Shinji, but he still has that annoying hero worship.


Now you're being unreasonable.... You know how he met Kiritsugu, yes? Do you even know his promise? It ties directly into UBW, so.....

If the characters were so similar to start a discussion - surely more than a single person would recommend "if you like F/S N - you'd like NGE" on MAL, yes? They didn't even mention the characters in their thing - just about "christian mythology," lol.
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Posted 9/15/14 , edited 9/16/14
I just think it's a fairly common harem pattern to be honest, but I don't know that much about F/SN.

Keeping the old "correlation doesn't imply causation" mantra in mind can be relevant, too.


evilotakuneko wrote:

Ilya = Rei without the emotionless trait. Think about it. :p

But if we're going that route, I think Rei was split between Ilya and Sakura. Which isn't unheard of, in some Shakespeare plays that iterated on existing works he'd take one character and split them into two (maybe just to broaden the cast, or perhaps to externalize an internal conflict to make it easier to demonstrate). In anime an example would be RahXephon (a blatant NGE clone) where I think Misato's character was clearly split between Haruka Shitow and Elvy Hadhiyat.

Edit: Just correcting myself, the lecture I was thinking of when talking about Shakepeare was discussing psychomachic theater which has to do with splitting one persona among multiple characters, but that are still seen to be linked.

So a different thing. I think the idea still stands just not the anecdote.
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