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(Sorry for grammar and spelling) AND PLEASE NO SPOILERS IN ANSWERS!!!

I have always heard of the fate series but never knew where to start and im tired of every one nagging at which one is better. This page is to do what the description states, and make it easier for people to understand. We will start with the "arcs" that are more current of release (not the originals) Fate/zero, Fate/stay night, and Fate/stay night Heaven's Feel film. Later we'll go over explanation of the routs and the differences of the originals to the new once that started it. I will be asking a lot of "stupid questions". Pleas bare with me so that I can understand, and so there can be an accurate record. The best way to go is to keep it simple to later make it more complex.

Thank you for all answers (if any one dos)

So to start with which one of the 3 is first, second, and third in the timeline. My understanding is that F/Z if first, 10 years later is F/SN, and then right after it. Is there even an ordered timeline by series?

Iv also heard that one ends up spoiling the other some how whether it being a death or important plot point. If so which show dos in and too which one?

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I'll be talking about the description of the Fate series first then talk about the animes.

Fate/Stay Night is a Visual Novel and is the first material in the Fate franchise. It consists of 3 possible story lines:

1. Fate route
2. Unlimited Blade Works (UBW) route
3. Heaven's Feel (HF) route

The timelines of these 3 storylines does not connect in anyway. Think of it as alternate universes where they supposedly happen at the same time. This difference in story is caused by different decisions chosen when playing the VN.
Each storyline focuses on a different heroine, Fate (Saber), UBW (Rin) and HF (Sakura) and tells different stories.
In terms of the story depth, HF is usually considered more detailed than UBW which is then more detailed than Fate as the VN requires you to play through the Fate route before unlocking UBW which then unlocks HF route.

Fate/Zero is a light novel set 10 years before Fate/Stay Night.
There is another VN in the franchise called, Fate/Hollow Ataraxia, set half a year after Fate/Stay Night but let's not get into this at the moment.

So, the timeline essential looks like this:


Well then, let's now talk about anime adaptions:

Fate/Stay Night was first adapted as an anime in 2006 by Studio Deen.
The anime adapted by Studio Deen followed the Fate Route heavily but incorporated some details from other routes as well (combined with other factors, caused controversy among Fate fans as a bad adaption.)
In 2010, Studio Deen went and adapted the Unlimited Blades Work route as a single film (which is also considered to be a bad adaption due to it being really rushed which is to be expected as it was only 106 minutes long).


Fate/Zero was then adapted to an anime by ufotable. Following this, ufotable then decided to remake the Fate/Stay Night anime.

From my information, ufotable will not be adapting the Fate Route. The upcoming remakes will consist of this format:

1. An anime series (starting this Fall) following the story of Unlimited Blade Works (UBW) route.

2. An anime film series following the Heaven's Feel (HF) route (currently TBA)

Any other questions?
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^ What he said. If your planning on watching both Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero, your gonna get spoiled either way such as whose the main villain is and you will know some of the servants true identities.

If your also asking which one who should watch first, I personally recommend watching the 2006 adaptation first cause I think if you watch F/Z first and then F/SN, you might feel a bit disappointed.Also as a person who has read the visual novel, I think it's the best place to be introduced to the entire franchise despite it's flaws.

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Ok for the sake of the story and enjoying it more, watch 2006 F/Z then its F/Z current then F/SN current? Also why would there be disappointment please elaborate.
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Posted 9/15/14 , edited 9/15/14

Afan42 wrote:

Ok for the sake of the story and enjoying it more, watch 2006 F/Z then its F/Z current then F/SN current? Also why would there be disappointment please elaborate.


Disappointment would probably be from the anime adaptation of Fate/Zero is just in general better than the anime adaptation of Fate/Stay Night. So if you start with the 2006 Fate/Stay Night and then do Fate/Zero, you'll be moving up quality-wise.
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I would just skip any Fate Anime Series except Fate/Zero and wait for the 2014 UBW adaptation.
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This is a great thread thanx for starting it.

I am also new the Fate series and also wanna know about the magical girl spinofff and where that ties in and if you need to watch the other Fate series first.

Also does anyone know if there is any gameplay of all the routes for each game. And the order of each route online (Youtube). I don't have my own computer so I can't download and play it.

Please no spoilers.
Thanx for an help.
Posted 9/15/14

Meroko26 wrote:

This is a great thread thanx for starting it.

I am also new the Fate series and also wanna know about the magical girl spinofff and where that ties in and if you need to watch the other Fate series first.

Also does anyone know if there is any gameplay of all the routes for each game. And the order of each route online (Youtube). I don't have my own computer so I can't download and play it.

Please no spoilers.
Thanx for an help.


You don't need to watch the original materials to watch prism, though it's more fun to see how your characters get casted into a magical girl anime.

As for the routes...

First is the saber route, follow by ubw (rin), followed by heaven's feel (sakura).
As for gameplay, you might as well download the game.
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So original anime of F/Z and F/ZN have a better explanation of the story wile the newer adaptions are more action because of the quality? Also for product sake it started as a visual novel then went to Light novel then back and forth between anime and manga adaptions. Now the anime is going threw new adaptions (not including the spin off rpg games)?
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Afan42 wrote:

So original anime of F/Z and F/ZN have a better explanation of the story wile the newer adaptions are more action because of the quality? Also for product sake it started as a visual novel then went to Light novel then back and forth between anime and manga adaptions. Now the anime is going threw new adaptions (not including the spin off rpg games)?


The Fate/Stay Night anime is a good introduction into the series, but never a good explanation. More so or less meh. The Fate/Stay Night anime (made by Studio DEEN) does leave out some character explanations, thus making Shirou look like an sexist idiot. The backbone of the story was the Fate route, with bits of Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel mixed in. But it wasn't really as bad as most fans say it was. Fate/Zero was adapted pretty well, although I'd rather prefer the source material. But you should watch F/Z after you play the visual novel, because it will spoil a lot of the twists in F/SN. Because you'll enjoy the story more, but that's just my personal opinion. The newer adaptions made by Ufotable will probably cover the Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel, which aren't action-oriented, but have different themes when compared to the other routes. Now, the other adaptions such as Carnival Phantasm and Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya are both alternate universes of F/SN, so they can be considered somewhat canon in the Nasuverse. Lastly, F/SN is a visual novel, and F/Z is a light novel so they don't share the same medium.
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ok so it seems like its coming down to what it always dos the original visual novel is the best
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Afan42 wrote:

So original anime of F/Z and F/ZN have a better explanation of the story wile the newer adaptions are more action because of the quality? Also for product sake it started as a visual novel then went to Light novel then back and forth between anime and manga adaptions. Now the anime is going threw new adaptions (not including the spin off rpg games)?


The Fate/Stay Night anime is a good introduction into the series, but never a good explanation. More so or less meh. The Fate/Stay Night anime (made by Studio DEEN) does leave out some character explanations, thus making Shirou look like an sexist idiot. The backbone of the story was the Fate route, with bits of Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel mixed in. But it wasn't really as bad as most fans say it was. Fate/Zero was adapted pretty well, although I'd rather prefer the source material. But you should watch F/Z after you play the visual novel, because it will spoil a lot of the twists in F/SN. Because you'll enjoy the story more, but that's just my personal opinion. The newer adaptions made by Ufotable will probably cover the Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel, which aren't action-oriented, but have different themes when compared to the other routes. Now, the other adaptions such as Carnival Phantasm and Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya are both alternate universes of F/SN, so they can be considered somewhat canon in the Nasuverse. Lastly, F/SN is a visual novel, and F/Z is a light novel so they don't share the same medium.


Sadly I don't know where to get the VN or have the time at the moment, and the shows seem easier to get threw. I will play threw it and read them someday and the written is usually better. What im trying to get at, is a decision that is the best order of viewing the anime for the people who cant read and do the VN.

Also I was under the impression that there was an original version of the version of the F/Z anime but there is only the 2011 one which is an adaption of the light novel. Is this correct? If so then this would explain some of my confusion hehe.
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Posted 9/15/14 , edited 9/15/14

Afan42 wrote:

Sadly I don't know where to get the VN or the time, and the shows seem easier to get threw. I will play threw it and read them someday and the written is usually better. What im trying to get at, is a decision that is the best order of viewing the anime for the people who cant read and do the VN.


Watch the 2006 FSN first. Even in the original works the shows were adapted from, the FSN Visual Novel was created first and the prequel, Fate/Zero, written later. Seems reasonable to watch their adaptations in that order as well.

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Also I was under the impression that there was an original version of the version of the F/Z anime but there is only the 2011 one which is an adaption of the light novel. Is this correct? If so then this would explain some of my confusion hehe.


Yea, that might solve some of the confusion. The only anime series right now are the 2006 Fate/Stay Night by Studio Deen, the 2010 movie Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works by Studio Deen, and the 2011 Fate/Zero anime by ufotable.
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Afan42 wrote:

Sadly I don't know where to get the VN or the time, and the shows seem easier to get threw. I will play threw it and read them someday and the written is usually better. What im trying to get at, is a decision that is the best order of viewing the anime for the people who cant read and do the VN.


Watch the 2006 FSN first. Even in the original works the shows were adapted from, the FSN Visual Novel was created first and the prequel, Fate/Zero, written later. Seems reasonable to watch their adaptations in that order as well.

My initial thought was to watch it in time order not release until I kept getting bombarded over the years that F/Z anime expects you to know whats happening. Also that they are not afraid to drop spoiler bombs if you watch it out of order including whats going to happen for the upcoming F/SN
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^ What he said. If your planning on watching both Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero, your gonna get spoiled either way such as whose the main villain is and you will know some of the servants true identities.

If your also asking which one who should watch first, I personally recommend watching the 2006 adaptation first cause I think if you watch F/Z first and then F/SN, you might feel a bit disappointed.Also as a person who has read the visual novel, I think it's the best place to be introduced to the entire franchise despite it's flaws.



Are those spoilers that important or is it focused on those plot points of trying to find out? For example, the villain or who the servants are and do they focus the whole series so that the end can have that "big big finale of knowing".
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