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Does education matter even anymore?
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Posted 9/15/14

the_spaceguy wrote:

i think A LOT of people here are SERIOUSLY misguided on what it means to be in school, what education can do for you, and what you can get out of it...going to college isnt about getting a job anymore. Those are the same ideals your parents were brought up in because back in their day that was the most probable and expected route for an ordinary citizen..nowadays, altough education hasnt changed and has become mostly outdated and overall just terrible for learning anything of actual value, there are still MANY higher learning institutions that you should go to and take advantage of because they offer more than just "oh i have a degree, time to work 9 to 5"...its more about what you learn, who you meet, and your overall experience during those 4 years of college; it is more of like your last stage of cognitive development. This generation...our generation...are going to college to gain the knowledge to start their own businesses and pursue the things they love.

Let me also clear some misconceptions i read...
- The math they teach you is suppose to help you <understand> the logical processes of mathematics...Schools just do a terrible job at teaching it and most teachers dont even realize thats what they are suppose to do..help their students UNDERSTAND the fundamentals of math. Only once i started coding did i finally understand how useful it was to have an understanding of math logic.
- public high schools are shit...believe it or not, some private high schools (especially those with great sports programs) have plunged into the future of learning, and the kids are responding well! the change the new generation needs...i went to both private and public..and continutation and adult school while in high school and the only time i ever got good education was in college...so sometimes it doesnt even matter and you have to wait for college to actually enjoy learning.
- school doesnt have the responsibility to teach you practical things like how to wipe your ass..that is the job of your parents..for some that have broken families or no parents at all, then you should talk to your teachers...school becomes a great experience if you have a good student relation with your teacher..and you will get the help you want AND need.

the way everyone here talks is as if you are all freshman in high school...but you are all older than me, my age, or slightly younger than me...i would like someone to respond to this and hear a differing opinion..or maybe tell me im wrong and an asshole...anything would be appreciated haha


Public high schools are quite good in America and you are hearing this from a guy that went to a private

but yes, high school means nothing compared to college
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seeing as you can't get the most simple jobs without some kind of qualification anymore... yeah.
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I really think it should matter, because I'm so sick and tired of dumb neighbor kids and Japanophiles in my presence.
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I think early education drills in the essentials, College teaches you how to research stuff and discover your own answers. So, while in the short term you get the basics for a start in a career, the long term is that you'll have the tools, combined with experiences you go through to discover new bits of knowledge that you can then share with the rest of the world. Or something like that.
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I almost ended up typing pages upon pages of explanations, arguments, theories, complaints, and a detailed plan on how to reform the education system, but then I said, "Screw it."

One does not simply "describe" their opinion on education *rant begins here* (and actually affect anything).

However, I would like to state that knowledge itself is not power, but the ability to keep others from having that knowledge is. The education system is designed to create a mediocre workforce capable of performing the low-level labor required to maintain society. All you can do is be a better sheep than anyone else, and then maybe you'll earn the right to either have a job maintaining the workforce or expanding it.

Basically, get an "education" so you can have the certification you'll need to have a chance at a job where you won't have to work day and night for a decent amount of money.
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Posted 9/15/14
Of course education matter, what kinda question is this ?
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now the talk is getting better....education matters people...school isnt the only place you're allowed to learn, but from it come the principles of being a student..and you cant become a master if you aren't first a student
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I do say yes, but at the same time people need to understand that not all degrees guarantee you a job. you don't need to have a degree to get a job. the utilities world does not require a degree unless you are an engineer. you can get certified for welding and mechanics, that is more valued than having a degree in it. certificates means that you focused in that one area so thus you were trained in that area. I am working on my national certification for solar, but if I get the other job offer, I'll be trained to be a dispatcher.

when I was in HS I had one instructor, my AP macroeconomics instructor, taught us economics only for a portion of the class. most of the time he sat there and told us life lessons he learned, good areas to eat at in San Francisco, how to make sure that the person you are with is THE ONE, and other life stuff like that. he was the only one that was honest that only a few people would understand economics, and that it was more important to learn how to survive than memorize a stupid formula.
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The whole education system is messed up, I would know since I got pretty far in it.
It works in my favour but I feel sorry for the people who try just as hard, if not harder than me and don't get into the same courses.
And most of the higher courses are filled with snobby arrogant people.
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I think education is quite important. I do think that most educational systems are significantly flawed, though perhaps that's more a side effect of flaws and uncertainties in society (deciding what we really want our society to be and how people should be aiming to live their lives). I do think that people should be taught useful things like how to understand and empathise with people, how to analyse information and come to conclusions, how to think for yourself and so on.

It's okay to say that parents should be bringing children up with most of the basic knowledge they need but I'm not aware of any country that has a system to train all parents so that they can effectively teach their children. If we have "bad" (or at least unprepared) parents then it's not really fair to expect a consistent standard of child rearing, so it seems like an educational system would be needed to teach parenting (even once all parents are trained, a child that loses parents may not have the opportunity to learn parenting without an outside source).

I suppose you could say that an educational system that "indoctrinates" people into being effective members of society may not be a bad one (though realistically would only be good if the society itself was good and I'm not sure who would be suitable to make that judgement).

It's complicated really, though I do think that education is lacking all over the world. I guess it would be nice if we could have different forms of education available so that anyone could gain the knowledge and skills they require to pursue their desires in life. At the moment, education does work for some people and maybe that's the best we can hope for (though it'd be nice if it worked for more people).

I guess I have some random thoughts on it.
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when i graduated from high school, my teacher convince me try out for college. Heck, i finished a years of college, but i knew it wasn't for me. After college i joined the military for 3 years, after the military i got certified to be an EMT. i make about 40k + benefits.

The funny thing is, i got an older brother that graduated from nice 4 year college and he's unemployed as of today, unable to find a job.


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Does education matter? Of course it does.
Does it help you get a better job? Maybe
Is it a good investment? Not always.
Is the schooling system in the US broken? Definitely.

You should exit the compulsory school system (High School in the US) able to get a middle class job that would, in a couple of years, pay around $50k a year (close to the median US income). College should be an option for students who have excelled in their schooling and are on their way to the upper income brackets. There should also be some options, like the GI Bill, that allow students to go to college through work instead of academics.

What is currently required to reach those income levels is a certification of some kind or a degree. This is why the middle class in the US is in trouble. We are supplementing our poor compulsory education system with a corrupt and institution centered university and college system. The next bubble to take down the economy won't be housing, it will be education. Borrowing money to earn a median income cannot possibly be good for the economy in the long run. It isn't very good for the individual either.
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It is what you can do with the education you have that matters. If you can't turn education into skills/actions that people are willing to pay for then it was wasted if your goal was to make money. However knowing how things work is useful and fun. Colleges can only show you information and provide a guide, learning is your own responsibility.

If you learn how to learn then the whole world is your teacher.
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Education matters. It's the public school system in the US that's broken. I can't even name one teacher that took their job seriously in high school. The government seems to like the agenda of keeping education at an all time low and not doing anything about getting good teachers for the kids. I'm going to take a wild guess and say that's because it costs money.
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Posted 9/16/14

BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:

Honestly, even with school a lot of people are idiots. Without it we'd probably see those people reduced to splashing around in their own saliva, giggling uncontrollably... at age 40.


What's wrong with that?

Technology should make life easier and we have the tech to be bed ridden till old age.
On top of that, everything needs to be fool proof or else the fools will sue.
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