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Without spoilers, after seeing a certain Anime ending and how people reacted negatively to it, It made me wonder if people just prefer to have the same thing happen again and again with little change.

A lot of things have happened in the past (like in episode 5 of Attack on Titan) and people just begin to say things like 'I'm done'

I wonder if people are soo emotionally attached to stories that they need stories to have stuff that make them happy all the time.

It really does prove that people watch anime for escapism and not for the experience.

What are your opinions on this ladies and gentlemen?
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i prefer shows that make me feel a roller coaster of emotions.

I HATE shows that are to afraid to take risks and think outside the box, because they only want to pander to the fans of the current trend in anime (over use of fan service, harem,boring cliche plot lines).

The only show so far to have done fan service right in the past few years has been Kill La Kill. The reason being the fan service was used as a tool to enhance the theme of being proud of the skin you are in. Not covering yourself up because you believe you are not attractive or ugly. It tried to show that you shouldn't be embarrassed of who you are (ryuko being embaressed when she first put on senketsu).

I love shows that make me feel sadness, happiness and give me an adrenaline rush during certain scenes.

A prime example of this is Zankyou No Terror; without giving away spoilers, i have never been so on the edge of my seat watching someone disarm bombs in my entire life.


The current state of the anime industry is a sorry state. Animators are to afraid to reach out to new heights due to the fear of not making a profit.
Posted 9/20/14 , edited 9/20/14

Cadet_Chu wrote:

Without spoilers, after seeing a certain Anime ending and how people reacted negatively to it, It made me wonder if people just prefer to have the same thing happen again and again with little change.

A lot of things have happened in the past (like in episode 5 of Attack on Titan) and people just begin to say things like 'I'm done'

I wonder if people are soo emotionally attached to stories that they need stories to have stuff that make them happy all the time.

It really does prove that people watch anime for escapism and not for the experience.

What are your opinions on this ladies and gentlemen?


Sometimes status quo is good. Just because it isn't unique doesn't mean it can't be well made.
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Cadet_Chu wrote:

Without spoilers, after seeing a certain Anime ending and how people reacted negatively to it, It made me wonder if people just prefer to have the same thing happen again and again with little change.

A lot of things have happened in the past (like in episode 5 of Attack on Titan) and people just begin to say things like 'I'm done'

I wonder if people are soo emotionally attached to stories that they need stories to have stuff that make them happy all the time.

It really does prove that people watch anime for escapism and not for the experience.

What are your opinions on this ladies and gentlemen?


Sometimes status quo is good. Just because it isn't unique doesn't mean it can't be well made.


It's good but doesn't give you any new experiences.

Imagine if all the rollercoasters in an amusement park are good but pretty much the same thing.

The thing with uniqueness is that it opens the field for new and surprising situations that evoke a stronger reaction.

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I'd say there are just enough anime out there that are unique to satisfy me. Sure, there are too many that fit the mold but that just makes the good ones stand out even more.
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Cadet_Chu wrote:
I wonder if people are soo emotionally attached to stories that they need stories to have stuff that make them happy all the time.

It really does prove that people watch anime for escapism and not for the experience.

What are your opinions on this ladies and gentlemen?


I think I know the one you're talking about, and you like Unique endings

Personally, it's kinda fresh, but just because something is cliche doesn't mean it's bad. Really, the first man/woman to make it, and a few after them, didn't have their works called cliche, but afterwards, anyone who does gets that label. It's hard to define the term "good" based on uniqueness. It's just what people prefer. But. You can't go around looking down on people just because they don't like new things. Some people just like the norm, and no one can judge them for it.

P.S don't try and convince me, I like anime both ways
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Cliche (Luffy)
Unique (Yusuke)

Cliche (Black Bullet)
Unique (Zankyou no Terror)

Posted 9/20/14

Cadet_Chu wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Cadet_Chu wrote:

Without spoilers, after seeing a certain Anime ending and how people reacted negatively to it, It made me wonder if people just prefer to have the same thing happen again and again with little change.

A lot of things have happened in the past (like in episode 5 of Attack on Titan) and people just begin to say things like 'I'm done'

I wonder if people are soo emotionally attached to stories that they need stories to have stuff that make them happy all the time.

It really does prove that people watch anime for escapism and not for the experience.

What are your opinions on this ladies and gentlemen?


Sometimes status quo is good. Just because it isn't unique doesn't mean it can't be well made.


It's good but doesn't give you any new experiences.

Imagine if all the rollercoasters in an amusement park are good but pretty much the same thing.

The thing with uniqueness is that it opens the field for new and surprising situations that evoke a stronger reaction.



Uniqueness and originality are two different things. Animes could have characters that, while seen before, are unique to their own series. Originality is overrated, and most certainly on its death dirge, but an anime can be uniquely its own if executed correctly. No two people are the same, but that doesn't mean that there is no one else like them.


Also, status quo is status quo for a reason. No one likes shaggy dog stories.


P.S. What anime are we talkin here anyway?
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Cadet_Chu wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Cadet_Chu wrote:

Without spoilers, after seeing a certain Anime ending and how people reacted negatively to it, It made me wonder if people just prefer to have the same thing happen again and again with little change.

A lot of things have happened in the past (like in episode 5 of Attack on Titan) and people just begin to say things like 'I'm done'

I wonder if people are soo emotionally attached to stories that they need stories to have stuff that make them happy all the time.

It really does prove that people watch anime for escapism and not for the experience.

What are your opinions on this ladies and gentlemen?


Sometimes status quo is good. Just because it isn't unique doesn't mean it can't be well made.


It's good but doesn't give you any new experiences.

Imagine if all the rollercoasters in an amusement park are good but pretty much the same thing.

The thing with uniqueness is that it opens the field for new and surprising situations that evoke a stronger reaction.



Uniqueness and originality are two different things. Animes could have characters that, while seen before, are unique to their own series. Originality is overrated, and most certainly on its death dirge, but an anime can be unique its own if executed correctly. No two people are the same, but that doesn't mean that there is no one else like them.


Also, status quo is status quo for a reason. No one likes shaggy dog stories.


P.S. What anime are we talkin here anyway?


I accept that the characters are usually what gives a story it's own vibe. What I'm referring to is more on the lines of overdone concepts.

Fan service is overdone
Happy endings are overdone
Most approaches to main characters are overdone (some are also unrealistic)

A lot of this (as someone already stated out) is caused by the fear from fans that creators have. A lot of organizations are simply machines ruled by money which is sad (but inevitable, they are companies after all)


...and this post was a direct response to the backlash that a lot of people are giving for the unfinished Aldnoah.Zero which just had it's season ending.

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I think the manga I like the most that's unique to a degree is Pandora Hearts. Well, I'd like it better if Mochizuki Jun-sama didn't kill off everyone I liked, now that it's nearing the end, the massacre of characters increased even more and is making me afraid...

Tragedies aren't something we like a lot about nowadays, but I think a tragedy is usually a lot more original than happy endings. Or it could be a tragic happy ending, mangakas should develop more on that, and spinning their own plot. I don't think harems and fan services are overrated to that extent, as long as the storyline is interesting and unpredictable it's fine.
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Though they could work on not making every character their tragic past like every anime and manga out there
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This is actually a tough question for me to answer because I personally prefer a mix of both. As much as doing something new should be commended there is always the risk of doing something new purely for the sake of doing something new, regardless of whether it works or makes sense. This is even more tricky a proposition when you're dealing with elements that are already common place. Taking a story and characters that "everyone knows" and then throwing in a twist just to have a twist often feels broken more than it feels refreshing. Cliches are often cliches because they work but, of course, they stop working as well as they should if they are over used or too expected.
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I kind of like both. I prefer a show to have balls to follow through with something and not pull some BS 'they're alive really XD' nonsense when I look at a show from a 'quality' standpoint, but at the same time since it's natural to often want the protagonist/s to live I appreciate if they aren't killed off. I like to walk away from a show not feeling like I want to hang myself due to spiralling into a crippling depression. So yeah, I'd be lying if I said I'm disappointed when the characters I want to live actually survive, but at the same time I can see how it can be a let down from a common sense standpoint e.g. If the story is setting a show up in a way that says 'so-and-so WILL die, that is the way things have to be' only for them to live be it through some complication or the power of friendship or whatever. It's a balance that's ultimately impossible to achieve. You either go stereotypical and let a lot of people down, or pull something different which strikes people as being 'not what they want' or silly and let a lot of people down. Plenty of people like to be comforted by seeing what they know, while others want something they've never seen before, and as such you can't really win.
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I see this topic the same way I see food. As long as it tastes good and doesn't kill me, I'll eat it and enjoy it whether I had it before or not.
Same for anime. Whether I have seen this concept before or not doesn't bother me, I just want it to be good and enjoyable since in the end, its just entertainment. It probably won't help you in life in the long run, so no use making a huge deal out of it.
Posted 9/20/14 , edited 9/20/14

Cadet_Chu wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Cadet_Chu wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Cadet_Chu wrote:

Without spoilers, after seeing a certain Anime ending and how people reacted negatively to it, It made me wonder if people just prefer to have the same thing happen again and again with little change.

A lot of things have happened in the past (like in episode 5 of Attack on Titan) and people just begin to say things like 'I'm done'

I wonder if people are soo emotionally attached to stories that they need stories to have stuff that make them happy all the time.

It really does prove that people watch anime for escapism and not for the experience.

What are your opinions on this ladies and gentlemen?


Sometimes status quo is good. Just because it isn't unique doesn't mean it can't be well made.


It's good but doesn't give you any new experiences.

Imagine if all the rollercoasters in an amusement park are good but pretty much the same thing.

The thing with uniqueness is that it opens the field for new and surprising situations that evoke a stronger reaction.



Uniqueness and originality are two different things. Animes could have characters that, while seen before, are unique to their own series. Originality is overrated, and most certainly on its death dirge, but an anime can be unique its own if executed correctly. No two people are the same, but that doesn't mean that there is no one else like them.


Also, status quo is status quo for a reason. No one likes shaggy dog stories.


P.S. What anime are we talkin here anyway?


I accept that the characters are usually what gives a story it's own vibe. What I'm referring to is more on the lines of overdone concepts.

Fan service is overdone
Happy endings are overdone
Most approaches to main characters are overdone (some are also unrealistic)

A lot of this (as someone already stated out) is caused by the fear from fans that creators have. A lot of organizations are simply machines ruled by money which is sad (but inevitable, they are companies after all)

You're forgetting creators are people too. Creators like happy endings too. This combined with an overall desire to please the fanbase makes happy endings so popular. That and most works are a bit wish fulfillment.
Ofc, some authors are sadistic and go for sad endings. Like Bokurano.

Bad endings should go to appropriate works; happy ends to happy works. If there is anything the fanbase hates, it's the feeling of getting screwed over. Forcing a bad ending isn't a good thing. otherwise, it'll turn into a shaggy dog story.

Example: You cannot give Berserk a perfectly happy ending. Only a satisfying one.
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