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The 10 point rating scale is broken :/
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Insomnist wrote:

Is there a Chuunibyou Christmas OVA or something? I don't remember seeing that.


Yes, episode 13 of season 1. It's a christmas special. It was quality Theres even alcohol involved.
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Back to actual scores, I think what I'd like most is a 4-star rating system (including half-stars).


ThisWasATriumph wrote:

Yes, episode 13 of season 1. It's a christmas special. It was quality Theres even alcohol involved.

I wonder how I missed that.
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I explain my ratings on my profile, and I adhere to them relatively well. But I don't think it's perfect.

I always have wanted to take a school grading system (100=A+, 85= B, 75=C, etc) and translate that to a 5-star system with the 50 being 0 stars and 100 being 5 stars. (anything less than 50 isn't worth watching really)

Cause basically the average show that I watch ends up being a 75-80 in my mind, a nice average-sounding "C". The 10-point system really inflates it. In a 10-point system, 7.5-8/10 sounds pretty good, when really you could be watching something better. But if the 8/10 instead was 3 stars, then it really would sound as average as it was. Perhaps that system is a little harsh, but I like it. I feel like it would make me appear more critical of the things I watch lol

But for now I just define each number more qualitatively and try to stick to my system best I can. Dang MAL doesn't have a star system...
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TrueGoober wrote:

I explain my ratings on my profile, and I adhere to them relatively well. But I don't think it's perfect.

I always have wanted to take a school grading system (100=A+, 85= B, 75=C, etc) and translate that to a 5-star system with the 50 being 0 stars and 100 being 5 stars. (anything less than 50 isn't worth watching really)

Cause basically the average show that I watch ends up being a 75-80 in my mind, a nice average-sounding "C". The 10-point system really inflates it. In a 10-point system, 7.5-8/10 sounds pretty good, when really you could be watching something better. But if the 8/10 instead was 3 stars, then it really would sound as average as it was. Perhaps that system is a little harsh, but I like it. I feel like it would make me appear more critical of the things I watch lol

But for now I just define each number more qualitatively and try to stick to my system best I can. Dang MAL doesn't have a star system...


a star can equal 2 points.
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Posted 9/22/14

Insomnist wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:


Insomnist wrote:

Is there a Chuunibyou Christmas OVA or something? I don't remember seeing that.


yes.

Dammit. Spoilered.

I'll go find it after this episode of Gundam.


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asharka wrote:

To that end, I have already created my own rating scale here, in the spirit of RT, if not the actual execution: /group/Rotten_Sushi

Plus I greatly expanded tags, and added other (hopefully) useful goodies.


Gonna check this out tomorrow when my mind isn't so fuzzy lol but Rotten Sushi...heyo *wink*
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Bavalt wrote:

The 1s and 3s and 5s are generally the kind of stuff that doesn't make it past the pitch room. I hear a lot of talk about how the 1-10 rating system is really a 6-9 rating system, but I counter with this: Would you watch something that you'd end up giving a 4? Going by the school marks parallel, that'd be a failing grade. Failure, in terms of entertainment, usually means that the piece doesn't show enough promise to be completed in the first place. It gets weeded out for a better premise to take its place.

Take a look at a less strict medium (webcomics are a good example, as people can just up and put them on the web if they want to, without having to meet someone else's approval). There are plenty of pieces in these types of art forms that are just plain not good. But looking at reviews and the like, you'll find that even then, most reviewed pieces receive something between a 6 and a 9. Why is that? Because if something is only worth a 3 or 4, chances are that you'll know quickly, and you won't stick around long enough to be able to legitimately review it.

The 1-5 territory is for things that, due to their low quality, fail to catch our interest in the first place. Less than 50% means there's more bad than good, and why would you spend your time on something like that? If something fails as entertainment, then it's not entertaining. Ratings of 1-5, though extremely rare in actual reviews, are important theoretical territory. A 6 isn't very good by any means, but the fact that it's more than 5 tells us that it has is redeemable qualities, and that there is probably an audience for it, even if the reviewer him/herself was not impressed.

10 plays the same sort of role. We consider 10/10 to mean "perfect", and because of that, reviewers (genuine reviewers, I mean) will be very strict when it comes to handing out 10s. A 9 is still really good, but has room for improvement, whereas a 10 is flawless. As far as entertainment has come, audience expectations have followed it, and as a species of critical thinkers, we can usually find something that we'd change about any given thing. A 10 represents a piece that has wowed its viewer so much that they wouldn't dare make any changes to it. Like 1-5, it's not usually a part of our actual rating spectrum, but its presence helps to put the numbers that we do use often into context.


Thats the thing though, if you're going to relegate the 1-5s as failure grounds, why not just condense it all into a solid 5 point scale?
A 1 out of 5 stars should be enough to get the same message across that its a bad show.
I just don't like the idea of there being this set of numbers that will not be used by the majority (myself included) or just used as a general catch all.
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Rito2Ru wrote:

Thats the thing though, if you're going to relegate the 1-5s as failure grounds, why not just condense it all into a solid 5 point scale?
A 1 out of 5 stars should be enough to get the same message across that its a bad show.
I just don't like the idea of there being this set of numbers that will not be used by the majority (myself included) or just used as a general catch all.


Ok but, even if we rarely have to use them, there should still be numbers set aside for the Baku no Picos of this godforsaken world.
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I favor the YouTube style of rating system. There are many pros to the like/dislike system I'll list below.

1. You can see the ratio of who liked or disliked the anime. When deciding to watch or not watch a series you mainly only care if more people liked it than disliked it.

2. The ratio of like to dislike is a more accurate number which you can convert to X/10 if you choose. For example 77 likes / 23 dislikes would be 77/100 --> 7.7/10

3. All the database has to store is 0 for dislike or 1 for like. Count how many 1's you have to display the # of likes, count how many 0's you have to display # of dislikes.

4. Most people given a 1/10 rating scale (or 1/5) either choose 1 for hate it, 5 (3) for average, 10 (5) for good. Usually, you see ratings like 4/5 or 8/10 or something when averaged so a like/dislike system is much better.
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We had a really great thread discussion on the grading scales once upon a time. I wonder if that thread has been vanquished by the mods because of age...

I use 1-10, with a couple of presuppositions that make it easier for me. Or, I guess you could call them points of contact or flags or something. But they help me structure my ratings.

1: Actively offended me.
4: Net gain/loss=0
5: Fun, but nothing more
7: Where I assume my "bell" curse will spike
8: Good quality, great rewatch value, but not what I would consider "great"
9-10: Differentiated, often, by personal engagement.

I think of my ratings as a condensed, reductive overall value statement on a show. In other words, the number represents how valuable I think the show is as a media experience. When I think of them as an overall value judgement, rather than a quality assessor, I find it a lot easier to rate.
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AnimeKami wrote:


TrueGoober wrote:

I explain my ratings on my profile, and I adhere to them relatively well. But I don't think it's perfect.

I always have wanted to take a school grading system (100=A+, 85= B, 75=C, etc) and translate that to a 5-star system with the 50 being 0 stars and 100 being 5 stars. (anything less than 50 isn't worth watching really)

Cause basically the average show that I watch ends up being a 75-80 in my mind, a nice average-sounding "C". The 10-point system really inflates it. In a 10-point system, 7.5-8/10 sounds pretty good, when really you could be watching something better. But if the 8/10 instead was 3 stars, then it really would sound as average as it was. Perhaps that system is a little harsh, but I like it. I feel like it would make me appear more critical of the things I watch lol

But for now I just define each number more qualitatively and try to stick to my system best I can. Dang MAL doesn't have a star system...

a star can equal 2 points.

It has to do with how others perceive the ratings (the 2 people that read my reviews lol). If I gave Robotics;Notes a 5/10, most people will think I hated it, even though I thought it was decent.
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Rito2Ru

Thats the thing though, if you're going to relegate the 1-5s as failure grounds, why not just condense it all into a solid 5 point scale?
A 1 out of 5 stars should be enough to get the same message across that its a bad show.
I just don't like the idea of there being this set of numbers that will not be used by the majority (myself included) or just used as a general catch all.


It's there because it makes it easier for us to understand. A five-point system could give us equally accurate ratings, but it's not the way we naturally think. Someone could look at a rating of 3/10, which could have been meant as somewhere around an 8/10 (because we're dropping the low range), and assume it means a "60%" rather than the intended "80%"--which is big discrepancy. We would have to explain somewhere in our reviewing space what each rank means on our scale so that people wouldn't be confused; the out-of-ten system may not be effectively any more accurate than the out-of-five system, but it is more elegant, because people grasp it intuitively, without having to be told what's what.
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TrueGoober wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:


TrueGoober wrote:

I explain my ratings on my profile, and I adhere to them relatively well. But I don't think it's perfect.

I always have wanted to take a school grading system (100=A+, 85= B, 75=C, etc) and translate that to a 5-star system with the 50 being 0 stars and 100 being 5 stars. (anything less than 50 isn't worth watching really)

Cause basically the average show that I watch ends up being a 75-80 in my mind, a nice average-sounding "C". The 10-point system really inflates it. In a 10-point system, 7.5-8/10 sounds pretty good, when really you could be watching something better. But if the 8/10 instead was 3 stars, then it really would sound as average as it was. Perhaps that system is a little harsh, but I like it. I feel like it would make me appear more critical of the things I watch lol

But for now I just define each number more qualitatively and try to stick to my system best I can. Dang MAL doesn't have a star system...

a star can equal 2 points.

It has to do with how others perceive the ratings (the 2 people that read my reviews lol). If I gave Robotics;Notes a 5/10, most people will think I hated it, even though I thought it was decent.


For me, there are only two grades. Either I watch it or I do not.
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ThisWasATriumph wrote:


Rito2Ru wrote:

Thats the thing though, if you're going to relegate the 1-5s as failure grounds, why not just condense it all into a solid 5 point scale?
A 1 out of 5 stars should be enough to get the same message across that its a bad show.
I just don't like the idea of there being this set of numbers that will not be used by the majority (myself included) or just used as a general catch all.


Ok but, even if we rarely have to use them, there should still be numbers set aside for the Baku no Picos of this godforsaken world.

So they're the special circles of Hell, lol.


iblessall wrote:

We had a really great thread discussion on the grading scales once upon a time. I wonder if that thread has been vanquished by the mods because of age...

It's still around.
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Rito2Ru wrote:
Thats the thing though, if you're going to relegate the 1-5s as failure grounds, why not just condense it all into a solid 5 point scale?
A 1 out of 5 stars should be enough to get the same message across that its a bad show.
I just don't like the idea of there being this set of numbers that will not be used by the majority (myself included) or just used as a general catch all.

There was a thread in the Help/suggestions about this subject a while ago... Yes, here, I found it, /forumtopic-807129/5-star-ratings?pg=1#46203763 so no sense in my repeating everything I said back then....but it became the basis for the 700+ odd pages I created for the purpose of what to watch next...
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asharka wrote:


Rito2Ru wrote:
Thats the thing though, if you're going to relegate the 1-5s as failure grounds, why not just condense it all into a solid 5 point scale?
A 1 out of 5 stars should be enough to get the same message across that its a bad show.
I just don't like the idea of there being this set of numbers that will not be used by the majority (myself included) or just used as a general catch all.

There was a thread in the Help/suggestions about this subject a while ago... Yes, here, I found it, /forumtopic-807129/5-star-ratings?pg=1#46203763 so no sense in my repeating everything I said back then....but it became the basis for the 700+ odd pages I created for the purpose of what to watch next...


Doesn't Kotaku or some other game site now use the buy, rent, skip (or was it yes, no, later) system? I can see that working.
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