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The 10 point rating scale is broken :/
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35 / M / End of the World
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Posted 9/22/14
I give this thread a 6/10.
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27 / M / Anime World
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Posted 9/22/14

Insomnist wrote:

I tried to use a 1-5 scale on Hummingbird awhile ago, but it didn't give me enough variety.

I've been slowly pulling my scores down though:



The average is like a little bit over a 5.4 right now.


This is pretty accurate, about 0.3 lower than my average I believe.

I consider 5/10 to be average and anything below that to be bad. 6/10 is considered decent imo, while 7/10 = good, 8 = great, 9 = excellent, 10 = masterpiece.

Of course, scores are subjective so in the end, it doesn't matter too much.
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60 / M / Earth
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Posted 9/22/14

Rito2Ru wrote:
Doesn't Kotaku or some other game site now use the buy, rent, skip (or was it yes, no, later) system? I can see that working.

I must have had that in the back of my mind without realizing it. Siskel and Ebert used to use that system on their "At the Movies" series.
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27 / M / Anime World
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Posted 9/22/14

asharka wrote:

To that end, I have already created my own rating scale here, in the spirit of RT, if not the actual execution: /group/Rotten_Sushi

Plus I greatly expanded tags, and added other (hopefully) useful goodies.


I just joined this club, cool stuff there!
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24 / M / Washington
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Posted 9/22/14
So where do we go from here? Do you fix it? Most people will say, don't. There's no point. Why bother?
Nowhere, people rate how they want no matter the scale. If people want to use the 1-10 scale to it's fullest potential then they have to conform to it. It's not that hard to start thinking of 5 as average instead of 7. I eventually got there when I realized that most of my anime was 7s, 8s, and 9s and that for a lot of them, I truly didn't think they should be that close to others, that having them all bunched up like that didn't show what anime I truly liked. If you treat every anime the same way then it's the same as saying none are special. With 6-10(5 points) being "good" anime I can show more accurately how I felt about the anime rather than only using 2 or 3 possible points(7-9) for anime I liked.

Like what really separates a 6 from a 7 from an 8? What about a 1 from a 2? Do people even use 2s?
A 7 is good but an 8 is very good. A 1 is appalling but 2 is horrible. Yes, people do, I do. Some anime are that bad. It's just different degrees of like and dislike.It's not that difficult to comprehend. There's an anime that you like and an anime that you love, there's an anime that just didn't click and there's one where you want to kick the creator in the balls for creating, there's an anime that heavily impacted your life and there's an anime you forgot about as soon as you finished. It's just how much you can understand your feelings or separate anime, some people even use a 100 point scale. Oo scary.

I don't see how any other scale is better or worse. It just depends on how people want to rate and present how they rate their own anime.

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23 / M / Jackson, MS
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Posted 9/22/14
I'm pretty lazy when it comes to rating. Base mine totally on feelings and how entertaining it was for me:

10/10- Amazing! It had multiply flaws?! Who cares?! It was entertaining! That's all that matters!

9/10- Great show but not as entertaining as a 10 for some reason or another

8/10- Pretty good show.

7/10- Good show.

6/10- This is a borderline rating for me. On one hand it's just good enough for me to watch it; on the otherhand, it's just not quite interesting enough for me to watch it.

5/10 and below- Boring. No point in torturing myself-DROPPED!
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I have been trying to figure out my ratings system for a couple years now. For the longest time I graded everything on a five point academic scale. 9/10=A, 8/10=B. 7/10=C, 6/10=D, 5/10=F. I have only put one or two disasters below a 5/10. But this doesn't make a bit of sense. Why assign inflated ratings to a show that doesn't deserve it. But at the same time I am torn between a simple and straightforward five point system, and a 10 point academic system. Is it necessary to quantify how badly an anime fails at meeting a set standard? I can see why we do it in academics, but I really need to break my habit of applying an academic grading scale to anime. A five star system is more than sufficient, and that Is what I use anyway, despite the final score being out of ten instead of five. After too many years in school, old habits are hard to break.
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24 / F / Rulid Village
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Posted 9/24/14 , edited 9/24/14
personally i use a 5 star system on a week-to-week basis throughout the season

★☆☆☆☆
Ugh...
★★☆☆☆
Meh
★★★☆☆
Okay
★★★★☆
Good
★★★★★
Lovin’ it!


and then translate that to a mal score at the end of the season. I think the MAL word descriptors are pretty apt

(10) Masterpeice
(9) Great
(8) Very Good
(7) Good
(6) Fine
(5) Average
(4) Bad
(3) Very Bad
(2) Horrible
(1) Appaling

My average stands at a 7.2 and I am perfectly content with that number staying where it is. Because it means on average I'm watching shows I think are good. I am not forced to watch bad shows (other than to satiate my own neurosis) in any professional capacity, so why would I willfully watch enough <5 shows to make a "perfect bell curve". Despite that I have rated shows <5 before, but often I'll drop a show if it is in that range.

making your average a 5 seems odd. If my average ever got that low, I would probably cutback significantly on the amount of anime I watch. Who wants to spend their time on something that you just find "average". That's what work is for

For professional reviews: being on a 6-9 scale is awful (looking at you gaming industry)
For personal reviews: why wouldn't you want to stay in the 6+ range?

EDIT: also i don't rate things that i haven't completed, seems unfair to rate something without having finished. another reason my average is where it's at, i don't rate the shows i dropped at ep 3
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Posted 9/24/14
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Posted 9/24/14 , edited 9/24/14

stark700 wrote:

I consider 5/10 to be average and anything below that to be bad. 6/10 is considered decent imo, while 7/10 = good, 8 = great, 9 = excellent, 10 = masterpiece.

Of course, scores are subjective so in the end, it doesn't matter too much.


Pretty much the same as me, then. I don't consider 5 to be a bad score like so many other people do. Since it's in the middle, logic dictates it should be used to rate things as average, and anything lower as below average (4) or just not worth the effort (3 and lower).

Edit: I don't think it's the system that's broken, but more the way people use it. After all, to most people 5/10 seems to essentially be the same as 0/10. That doesn't look like the system's fault to me.
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Posted 9/24/14
You know I'll use a rating in a review if I see somebody using a certain scale just so there can be a correlation to other posts. But no matter how you slice it a rating is nothing more than an opinion. Granted it is a quantified opinion, but an opinion none-the-less. And like the old, old OLD saying:

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one and they all stink


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Posted 9/24/14 , edited 9/24/14
No thanks, I'll stick to pulling random ratings out my ass. Rating systems are entirely subjective anyway and lead to people presuming that they'll definitely enjoy something simply because some guy (on occasion myself) rating an anime a 9/10. The best possible system for reviewing anything is simply highlighting the potential pro's and con's in the least biased way you possibly can while leaving out a simple rating that would instantly push someone into watching/ignoring an anime.
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20 / M / Eng Land
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Posted 9/24/14 , edited 9/24/14
Rating scales in general are broken. Why not read the reasoning for a reviewer's beliefs; use your brain and give them some respect for their effort? Thoughts and beliefs being translated into an arbitrary number is such a load of inaccurate bull that really isn't worth putting value into. So many morons scream 'Argh how dare you give this thing this number? I don't care if you gave multiple paragraphs summing up your thoughts in an articulated manner, I want a number instead!' and it's beyond stupid. I sometimes write user reviews on a game site, and since you have to give a score as well I always make mine a 1/10, so if the reader really wants to know how I feel they can pay me some respect and read what I bothered to write for them. If you're interested enough in picking something up or viewing something, you'll be okay with putting in the time to read why something is or isn't good. You can't accurately translate opinions composed of words and biases into a numerical value.

Want an example? Say I want to watch a fantasy anime and see the only reviews I can find are both 9/10 scores, I think 'oh that's pretty good' and proceed to watch the show. However, said show is more focussed around world building, animation, and plot, than character development, something I highly prioritise. You can't pick that up from a number, all its done is mislead me, however if I actually put in the time and effort to READ what they'd written, and find something along the lines of 'Admittedly this is a show that slacks off a little in character development but...' then I'd instantly have known to steer clear. Who honestly solely makes a purchase based on a number, without knowing the 'why' behind something being good or bad? If you just go off a number, it's still practically guesswork, it tells you literally nothing about the product. Imagine seeing a 2/10 for something and avoiding it, when in actuality the reasons they dislike it are reasons you would like it. Rating systems are beyond broken, in my mind, and serve no solid purpose than to appease the shallow-minded looking for an excuse to run their mouths while exerting little to no effort.
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Posted 9/24/14 , edited 9/24/14
I give everything 0 stars!
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23 / M / With Lucina
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Posted 9/24/14
Well, I'm not saying that we should get rid of review scales in general. I'm just saying that the way the 10 point scale is handled, it kind of makes it difficult for people to really give a score because there are too many options, most of which overlap over the other.
Like I said before, can you really watch a show and give it a score like a 2? How does it differentiate from a 3? How does a 4 differentiate from a 5 which differentiates from a 6?
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