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The 10 point rating scale is broken :/
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Personally, I'd like something that breaks the overall score down into subcategories, so the overall rating would reflect scores for animation, characters, writing, emotional impact, etc.

As several people have already pointed out, just saying that a show is 10-stars or 5-stars or 1-star doesn't really tell you anything about the show itself, just that someone either liked or didn't like it. With subcategories, you could at least get a better idea of why it's ranked highly or poorly -- maybe it has a great story but really weak characters, or gorgeous animation and deep characters but an abysmal story, and so on.

Since ratings are so subjective, breaking it down to subcategories can at least indicate if there's a widespread agreement on specific aspects of a show -- ie, the overall score may vary, but if everyone rates the story as weak or the characters as high, then there's a good chance that you might agree with the majority (tho, again, it's all very subjective).

When I rate something, I tend to break it down into a LOT of subcategories, and sub-subcategories... it's just a nitpicky wall of text to most folks, which is why I rarely ever post them, but by the time I'm done I know exactly where an anime "fits" for me (which is really handy, as what I'm interested in watching can vary quite a bit... maybe I'm in the mood to laugh or to cry or to ride an epic rollercoaster of action or to swoon in a sappy romance -- whatever my mood, I always know exactly which show will fit the bill =D)

And like Remassie pointed out, MAL's descriptor word system is pretty nice, too. A combination of this with a few general subcategories would just be heaven for me. ^_^
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Posted 9/24/14

Rito2Ru wrote:

Well, I'm not saying that we should get rid of review scales in general. I'm just saying that the way the 10 point scale is handled, it kind of makes it difficult for people to really give a score because there are too many options, most of which overlap over the other.
Like I said before, can you really watch a show and give it a score like a 2? How does it differentiate from a 3? How does a 4 differentiate from a 5 which differentiates from a 6?


I know the feelz.
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Rito2Ru wrote:

I'm just saying that the way the 10 point scale is handled, it kind of makes it difficult for people to really give a score because there are too many options, most of which overlap over the other.
Speak for yourself. Tons of people use MAL and other listing sites just fine.


Rito2Ru wrote:

Like I said before, can you really watch a show and give it a score like a 2? How does it differentiate from a 3? How does a 4 differentiate from a 5 which differentiates from a 6?
Yes, done it 8 times so far.

Like I said in my post. It's different degrees of likes and dislikes. A 2 is slightly worse than a three. You don't like and dislike everything the exact same amount, a 10 point scale is just showing it more precisely. If you acknowledge someone can use a 5 point scale where there's two points for liking(4 and 5) then you accept that people can quantify what they think of an anime beyond just like and dislike. And then it's not a stretch to think that they can expand that a little more to maybe 5 points(6-10) to show how much they like a show.
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I tend to think 'failing grade' is really irrelevant when it comes to rating entertainment. Each viewer has their own criteria to what score means to them they would never watch a show again, or discontinue watching it. I personally base my ratings on the ANN rankings and don't use decimals:
10=Masterpiece
9=Excellent
8=Very Good
7=Good
6=Decent
5=So-so
4=Not Really Good
3=Weak
2=Bad
1=Awful
0=Worst


Unfortunately any system will be abused because many many people will give unfair ratings just to troll or hate on a show they disapprove of, or to try to make something mediocre look better in comparison. Which is to be expected when probably the majority of the viewership is in their teens
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Posted 9/24/14

Crow009 wrote:


Rito2Ru wrote:

I'm just saying that the way the 10 point scale is handled, it kind of makes it difficult for people to really give a score because there are too many options, most of which overlap over the other.
Speak for yourself. Tons of people use MAL and other listing sites just fine.


Rito2Ru wrote:

Like I said before, can you really watch a show and give it a score like a 2? How does it differentiate from a 3? How does a 4 differentiate from a 5 which differentiates from a 6?
Yes, done it 8 times so far.

Like I said in my post. It's different degrees of likes and dislikes. A 2 is slightly worse than a three. You don't like and dislike everything the exact same amount, a 10 point scale is just showing it more precisely. If you acknowledge someone can use a 5 point scale where there's two points for liking(4 and 5) then you accept that people can quantify what they think of an anime beyond just like and dislike. And then it's not a stretch to think that they can expand that a little more to maybe 5 points(6-10) to show how much they like a show.


How do you quantify a 2 from a 3?

If you have a specific standards to yourself; I would believe it. There is no set quantification system which translates writing from one person to another which signifies a 2 from a 3.

If you had laid out a standard and in your written post you meet x out of y criteria and therefore that is a 2 I would, again, have faith in the system. Otherwise your score of 3 holds no, or rather, has no relative scale to a 2.

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How do you quantify a 2 from a 3?

If you have a specific standards to yourself; I would believe it. There is no set quantification system which translates writing from one person to another which signifies a 2 from a 3.

If you had laid out a standard and in your written post you meet x out of y criteria and therefore that is a 2 I would, again, have faith in the system. Otherwise your score of 3 holds no, or rather, has no relative scale to a 2.

It's in my head, only place it needs to be. Of course there isn't a set system that everyone follows, but that doesn't matter. 1 means it's appalling/ the worst, 10 means it's a masterpiece, 5 means it's average. It's one of those or it falls between. How someone gets there is their own, but it shows others at least more precisely how much you liked it rather than saying "I like it" or "I dislike it".
It provides a scale(can't think of the word here) that can show how much someone thinks of all anime they've watched, sorted and thus notice and grasp more about their taste. And provides something to start a conversation about. If someone has not rated any anime, I wouldn't be that interested to talk to them about any certain one or any anime at all since I have no idea about their taste just that they've watched the anime, if I see they have it rated a 1 or a 10, etc then it's something to start out with. And then it's easier to learn why exactly they rated that anime the way they did, etc all that stuff. It can even help the person who made the rating remind them of what they thought of the show.
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My scale goes from 5-10 just like grades so mine is broken I guess. Whatever, it works for me. I'd have no way of differentiating a 1 from a 2 or a 3 when all three shows are so abysmal or unappealing I'd avoid them altogether.
Basically, what Bavalt said on the first page
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Posted 9/24/14 , edited 9/24/14

AnimeKami wrote:

How do you quantify a 2 from a 3?

If you have a specific standards to yourself; I would believe it. There is no set quantification system which translates writing from one person to another which signifies a 2 from a 3.

If you had laid out a standard and in your written post you meet x out of y criteria and therefore that is a 2 I would, again, have faith in the system. Otherwise your score of 3 holds no, or rather, has no relative scale to a 2.

I can pounce on this, at least personally.

There are three reasons I'll give something a 2/10. The most general reason is that it's my "so bad it's funny" category, to set them apart from a 1/10 which is my "so bad it's terrible" category. The second reason is a downgraded 3/10; a 3/10 is something I can consider kind of watchable but that has significant problems that threaten immersion and enjoyment. But if after finishing it I felt like it was a complete waste of my time or especially frustrating, it gets downgraded.

The third reason is ecchi-specific, for the most bland and pointless ecchi shows that someone might still want to watch if they're in the mood for a completely bland and pointless ecchi. And I guess there's a fourth reason as well, which is that an especially frustrating 4/10 can be busted down to a 2/10 (this usually happens if I think it's a poor addition to an otherwise liked franchise). Also a 4/10 is something that didn't work for me but lacks the glaring issues of a 3/10.

Some examples:

1: Origin: Spirits of the Past, Tales from Earthsea, A Wind Named Amnesia, Good Morning Althea.
2: Golden Boy (camp), Samurai Harem (ecchi), Black Bullet (3/10 pillory box), Chuunibyou Ren (4/10 pillory box).
3: Mekaku City Actors, Rideback, Tokyo Ghoul, Claymore, Nagi no Asukara, Nisekoi, Red Data Girl.
4: Aldnoah.Zero, Seitokai Yakuindomo, Log Horizon, Banner/Crest of the Stars, Wolf's Rain, Railgun/Index.

I could also expand on 4/10 a bit, it either didn't work for me to begin with or didn't stick with me afterward. For example both Log Horizon and Banner/Crest of the Stars were in my 5-7/10 categories at first but slipped further down over time. It's basically my "apathetic" score. Also it's possible for a show to get bumped up by an interesting character or two (Tokyo Ghoul), mindless excitement (Aldnoah.Zero), or other things like high production values or a unique feel.

Obviously this is still just a quantification of my own subjective response to something I've seen, but I'm starting to narrow down on the types of things that make a measurable difference to me which has been an interesting exercise.

And as a side note, I also currently have Code Geass kicking around in my 2/10 category.

Which isn't part of my ongoing attempts at codification, it's just because I really hate Code Geass.
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Insomnist wrote:

I'll go find it after this episode of Gundam.


Yo dog what episode?


And yes the scale is wacky, the purpose of reviewers is to look at how that individual sees a show and rate it yourself.
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Insomnist wrote:

I'll go find it after this episode of Gundam.

Yo dog what episode?

I'm 7:24 into episode 34, going to see if I can finish it off tonight.
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Insomnist wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:

How do you quantify a 2 from a 3?

If you have a specific standards to yourself; I would believe it. There is no set quantification system which translates writing from one person to another which signifies a 2 from a 3.

If you had laid out a standard and in your written post you meet x out of y criteria and therefore that is a 2 I would, again, have faith in the system. Otherwise your score of 3 holds no, or rather, has no relative scale to a 2.

I can pounce on this, at least personally.

There are three reasons I'll give something a 2/10. The most general reason is that it's my "so bad it's funny" category, to set them apart from a 1/10 which is my "so bad it's terrible" category. The second reason is a downgraded 3/10; a 3/10 is something I can consider kind of watchable but that has significant problems that threaten immersion and enjoyment. But if after finishing it I felt like it was a complete waste of my time or especially frustrating, it gets downgraded.

The third reason is ecchi-specific, for the most bland and pointless ecchi shows that someone might still want to watch if they're in the mood for a completely bland and pointless ecchi. And I guess there's a fourth reason as well, which is that an especially frustrating 4/10 can be busted down to a 2/10 (this usually happens if I think it's a poor addition to an otherwise liked franchise). Also a 4/10 is something that didn't work for me but lacks the glaring issues of a 3/10.

Some examples:

1: Origin: Spirits of the Past, Tales from Earthsea, A Wind Named Amnesia, Good Morning Althea.
2: Golden Boy (camp), Samurai Harem (ecchi), Black Bullet (3/10 pillory box), Chuunibyou Ren (4/10 pillory box).
3: Mekaku City Actors, Rideback, Tokyo Ghoul, Claymore, Nagi no Asukara, Nisekoi, Red Data Girl.
4: Aldnoah.Zero, Seitokai Yakuindomo, Log Horizon, Banner/Crest of the Stars, Wolf's Rain, Railgun/Index.

I could also expand on 4/10 a bit, it either didn't work for me to begin with or didn't stick with me afterward. For example both Log Horizon and Banner/Crest of the Stars were in my 5-7/10 categories at first but slipped further down over time. It's basically my "apathetic" score. Also it's possible for a show to get bumped up by an interesting character or two (Tokyo Ghoul), mindless excitement (Aldnoah.Zero), or other things like high production values or a unique feel.

Obviously this is still just a quantification of my own subjective response to something I've seen, but I'm starting to narrow down on the types of things that make a measurable difference to me which has been an interesting exercise.

And as a side note, I also currently have Code Geass kicking around in my 2/10 category.

Which isn't part of my ongoing attempts at codification, it's just because I really hate Code Geass.


two questions.

1) Wolf's children is in the 8 to 10 category?
2) how do you give 1's?
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Crow009 wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:

How do you quantify a 2 from a 3?

If you have a specific standards to yourself; I would believe it. There is no set quantification system which translates writing from one person to another which signifies a 2 from a 3.

If you had laid out a standard and in your written post you meet x out of y criteria and therefore that is a 2 I would, again, have faith in the system. Otherwise your score of 3 holds no, or rather, has no relative scale to a 2.

It's in my head, only place it needs to be. Of course there isn't a set system that everyone follows, but that doesn't matter. 1 means it's appalling/ the worst, 10 means it's a masterpiece, 5 means it's average. It's one of those or it falls between. How someone gets there is their own, but it shows others at least more precisely how much you liked it rather than saying "I like it" or "I dislike it".
It provides a scale(can't think of the word here) that can show how much someone thinks of all anime they've watched, sorted and thus notice and grasp more about their taste. And provides something to start a conversation about. If someone has not rated any anime, I wouldn't be that interested to talk to them about any certain one or any anime at all since I have no idea about their taste just that they've watched the anime, if I see they have it rated a 1 or a 10, etc then it's something to start out with. And then it's easier to learn why exactly they rated that anime the way they did, etc all that stuff. It can even help the person who made the rating remind them of what they thought of the show.


I see...

I do not believe you and I would talk very much.
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Posted 9/24/14 , edited 9/24/14

AnimeKami wrote:

two questions.

1) Wolf's children is in the 8 to 10 category?
2) how do you give 1's?

1) Wolf Children is a 10. Above a 7 my ratings get harder to articulate but I could try.
2) 1/10 is my only definitive "I can't think of a single reason to watch this" category.

I'm not actually sure how to elaborate on that, I just literally got nothing out of them. I'll even rate bland ecchi higher because bland ecchi can at least be entertaining if you're in the mood for it. But a 1/10 is like watching a t-ball game where both teams strike out every inning. It's not even something I could find fun in by making fun of it, it's just sad.
Posted 9/24/14
hmmm, 1 pt scale. 1- watch...0-avoid
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I dont use The 10 scale at all! Writing or reading does it more for me!

I do my weekly favorites and use Tiers usually Excellent or Top Favorites / Good And Favorites / Enjoying or Just watching / and the Drop Tier!

They sometimes break into sub tiers like Ties but with explanation.

How I rank them is my way of comparing all the anime I watch side by side!

For myself it works better! BTW some people use the ABCDF rating which I think is more realistic than numbers IMO
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