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Neon Genesis/Code Geass: Same thing.
Posted 9/24/14
So this isn't really worth a whole thread, but I have no other places to ask this question and it's really bothering me.

What was the difference between what Charles zi Britannia was trying to do in Geass vs what Gendo Ikari was trying to do in Neon Genesis? It's entirely possible that I'm a dumb ass, and completely missed the plot of both shows so please correct me.

HOWEVER what I witnessed with my two lil' eyes was:
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You have older shows to watch.
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Felstalker wrote:



You have older shows to watch.


I have so much to learn, Senpai. Seriously, haha.
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Posted 9/24/14
I'd like to answer the bonus question:
Well like Lelouch and Suzaku emphasized it was something they(they being Charles and his wife) were going to force onto humanity, where as Lelouch was going to give the world to the people for them to shape.
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Posted 9/24/14 , edited 9/24/14
I'd agree Code Geass is in many ways a response to, or at least influenced by, Neon Genesis Evangelion. But thematically I believe they are saying very different things, mostly rooted in the different personalities of the protagonists.


HandTye wrote:

BONUS QUESTION:

I have a (very simplified) chart for that:


Lelouch is your anti-hero type, particularly of the "Machiavellian Prince" breed. He will do bad things but he'll justify them through utilitarianism and his ultimate intent to do a good thing. Necessary sacrifices for the sake of the majority, etc.

Charles is pretty much just a straight-up villain, his "peace" comes at the cost of what should be protected.

Namely, the complete destruction of individuality and the turning the human race into one amorphous blob. Lelouch protected the future of a free humanity, while Charles was out to destroy it (assuming I followed the story properly).
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Posted 9/24/14
If I absolutely despise Evangelion because I find it pretentious does this mean I would probably feel the same about Code Geass? I've been meaning to watch it for ages, but it doesn't seem to stream anywhere legally so I always forget
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Posted 9/24/14 , edited 9/28/14

HandTye wrote:

I have so much to learn, Senpai. Seriously, haha.


Indeed, it would take you a while to learn, took me a while. The original Gundam is a fantastic watch that created its genre, so watch it dude.

Code Geass is based upon a perspective flip of the original Gundam. The hero Suzaku is put in control of a prototype white Mecha and proceeds to defeat the rebel forces seeking to escape from an oppressive government through less than stellar reasons.

The villains consist of a royal family and our secondary hero/rival antagonist is a young man seeking revenge on the royal family for what they did to him and his younger sister. Both of them former royalty themselves he hides his identity under a mask and is beloved by his subjects.

Code Geass is the Mobile Suit Gundam that you never knew about.
With the same Premise and Characters but a genuinely unique setting, it's a decent show that pays homage to a classic.
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Posted 9/24/14

Balzack wrote:

If I absolutely despise Evangelion because I find it pretentious does this mean I would probably feel the same about Code Geass? I've been meaning to watch it for ages, but it doesn't seem to stream anywhere legally so I always forget :P

Considering I'm the exact opposite, you'll probably like it.
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Posted 9/24/14
pro geass

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Posted 9/24/14

HandTye wrote:

BONUS QUESTION: How was what Lelouch did (going to war with the world, thus killing a shit ton of people for a greater good) any better than what Charles had planned (killing everyone for peace till the end of time)? Or is it more just a matter of opinion?


Bonus answer time!

In the original UC Gundam, consisting of Gundam, Zeta Gundam, and Double Zeta in this order + several movie and ova tie ins, the primary character of note is Char Aznable.


Starting as that young vengeful man who would do anything to destroy the entire Royal family in Gundam, he grows into the helpful adult/older Brother character. Mentoringn the young hero of Zeta into a proper man.

After his failures to stop war after Zeta(that pesky 3rd season) he grows tired and resentful.
Since Earth wouldn't leave well enough alone with all that was and political mumbo jumbo, he said fuck it. Everyone dies. Then spends an entire movie trying to throw a massive asteroid into the earth.

Zero's actions mirror Chars in many ways, but as Char was the secondary protagonist at best, he was often an important but not central focus of each show, unlike his titular movie.

Gendo is a representation of the father figure, and all his actions are shown to be demanding and destructive. His final goals aren't the most clear, and his modivations stem from his relationship with a dead wife character. While the show is well done, Gendo isn't exactly the murderous blood Knight character. He isn't trying to save or improve the world so much as he is bringing about its end. Motive differences are huge in world ending genocide plots.
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Posted 9/24/14

HandTye wrote:

BONUS QUESTION: How was what Lelouch did (going to war with the world, thus killing a shit ton of people for a greater good) any better than what Charles had planned (killing everyone for peace till the end of time)? Or is it more just a matter of opinion?


I'll give this one a go. Lelouch is a realist. He knew that if you take away a person's right to free will they basically become an empty shell. You might as well be dead because you were never really alive or allowed to be yourself! This is what Charles wanted to do. Charles would have remove the gods and remove free will from all of humanity thus removing pain at the cost of individuality. Individuality/difference/weirdness what it ever you want to call it is the spark of life. No living organism wants to be genetically or mentally the same as the others. That would make for a truly dull world.

I wouldn't say Lelouch is an anti-hero, he felt more like a tragic hero. I'd even go as far as calling him a true hero because he knows that sacrifices needed to be made to achieve a goal. He always meant and intended good but had to do a lot of bad things (kill family, kill civilians, imprisons his own sister). In addition, he knew what everyone else knows but somehow always forget; We're all human however, we let petty differences split us and end up creating wars. By him taking in all the evil, he becomes the singularity of hate. Once he "dies", the "devil" is no longer amongst us and we can move on together peacefully.

This is why to this day I don't believe he's truly dead. He had to received the CODE and become an immortal and is somewhere in the country having fun with CC while patiently observing how the worlds develops after his "death." Just to make sure that "Zero & Co." would do everything exactly as he planned!
Posted 9/24/14
You guys rule! All your posts are insightful, and have made more sense as to the content I'm digesting in my brain. Thanks! I'm glad I made this thread .
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Posted 9/28/14 , edited 9/28/14

Lindwurm wrote:

I'll give this one a go. Lelouch is a realist. He knew that if you take away a person's right to free will they basically become an empty shell. You might as well be dead because you were never really alive or allowed to be yourself! This is what Charles wanted to do. Charles would have remove the gods and remove free will from all of humanity thus removing pain at the cost of individuality. Individuality/difference/weirdness what it ever you want to call it is the spark of life. No living organism wants to be genetically or mentally the same as the others. That would make for a truly dull world.

I wouldn't say Lelouch is an anti-hero, he felt more like a tragic hero. I'd even go as far as calling him a true hero because he knows that sacrifices needed to be made to achieve a goal. He always meant and intended good but had to do a lot of bad things (kill family, kill civilians, imprisons his own sister). In addition, he knew what everyone else knows but somehow always forget; We're all human however, we let petty differences split us and end up creating wars. By him taking in all the evil, he becomes the singularity of hate. Once he "dies", the "devil" is no longer amongst us and we can move on together peacefully.

This is why to this day I don't believe he's truly dead. He had to received the CODE and become an immortal and is somewhere in the country having fun with CC while patiently observing how the worlds develops after his "death." Just to make sure that "Zero & Co." would do everything exactly as he planned!




Lindwurm hit it right on the head. That is exactly how Code Geass is meant to be actually. I am amazed at you Lind, your the first person that I have found who actually has seen the show and understood all these points.
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Posted 9/28/14



That debate will NEVER end no matter how many years pass.
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Posted 9/28/14

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That debate will NEVER end no matter how many years pass.


I wasn't speaking about the ending involving whether he is alive or not in my post sorry i should've clarified that in my post. I was just going to leave that alone.
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