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Am I in the Right or in the Wrong?
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Posted 9/26/14 , edited 9/26/14
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Submitted for your consideration, Crunchyrollers, is the following hypothetical situation. All you need to do is to read it and determine whether you feel the hypothetical me is in the right, in the wrong, or neither. Explanations are appreciated, but are not mandatory.

Suppose I hold a great deal of some essential resource (it could be anything essential), enough that I'm able to keep a sufficient supply for myself and sell it all around my neighborhood. Now, there's this one household that has a tendency to not pay its bills for this resource, and so I stop supplying them. The ethics of that itself could be debated, but let's assume for the sake of argument that it's ethical that I do so.

Let's further suppose that there are other households in this neighborhood which purchase that essential resource from me as customers in good standing, paying their bills on time every time. I proceed to tell them that while they're free to buy as much of this resource as they like from me they're absolutely not allowed to then turn around and sell it to that household which has a tendency to not pay its bills even if they pay me a fair market rate for the full amount of that resource during that initial transaction. In fact, I threaten to cut off their own supplies to the resource if they dare even try to do so.

Am I in the right, or in the wrong? And more interestingly, how would you respond to that?

My Opinion

Hypothetical me is waaaay in the wrong and needs to be condemned by the entire neighborhood. Hypothetical me should be ignored, and that resource should be sold freely to the household which doesn't pay its bills if such is the inclination of the people purchasing it from me upon their having done so. That resource ceases to be mine the moment I sell it and I have no right to dictate its future use/sale.


Posted 9/26/14
here i thought it was going to be about internet distribution. but yea russia still wrong, but they have all of europe by the balls so they can do what they want. yes i am anti carthage
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I think hypothetical you is an ass and hypothetical other houses are playing your game.
When they could band together and cut off your supply of money until you need the custom more than you need the resources.

But if you own the resource then you can make w/e rules you want whether or not others play by them or not.
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Posted 9/27/14
I was agreeing with hypothetical you until you wouldn't let other households sell to the house. In my opinion the resource isn't in your control once you sell it.
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Posted 9/27/14
I agree with you, until you tell others not to give the house that doesn't pay any of the resources. Once they buy the resources,it's theirs.You can't have control over it.And it's even worse when you threatened to cut off their supply to the resources if they did,because now you have two people who aren't buying your resources instead of just one.
Posted 9/27/14

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I think hypothetical you is an ass and hypothetical other houses are playing your game.
When they could band together and cut off your supply of money until you need the custom more than you need the resources.

But if you own the resource then you can make w/e rules you want whether or not others play by them or not.


lol that's what's wrong with dependency.
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Posted 9/27/14 , edited 9/27/14
I've seen plenty of explanations from the "It's wrong" camp, and they're largely explanations I agree with. But surely at least some of the "It's right" or "It's neutral" camps' members have something to say on the subject? What's your thinking? How is it legitimate for Russia to essentially act as though it's renting natural gas and petroleum to Europe when the very idea is patently absurd?
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Posted 9/27/14

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Sir_jamesalot wrote:

I think hypothetical you is an ass and hypothetical other houses are playing your game.
When they could band together and cut off your supply of money until you need the custom more than you need the resources.

But if you own the resource then you can make w/e rules you want whether or not others play by them or not.


lol that's what's wrong with dependency.


Hypothetical blue should be dependent on his neighbors not setting up a counter economy.
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Posted 9/27/14 , edited 9/27/14

Vatta wrote:

I was agreeing with hypothetical you until you wouldn't let other households sell to the house. In my opinion the resource isn't in your control once you sell it.


Yes. If they bought it, they now own it.

I looked at the russia thing and now I see wht's happening.
But I also see hungary has 4 nuclear power plants.
So if I was hungary, I'd say "give me the gas or I'll give you my waste you may be trying to destroy us but you will never feel clean again".
Posted 9/27/14 , edited 9/27/14

Sir_jamesalot wrote:


severticas wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:

I think hypothetical you is an ass and hypothetical other houses are playing your game.
When they could band together and cut off your supply of money until you need the custom more than you need the resources.

But if you own the resource then you can make w/e rules you want whether or not others play by them or not.


lol that's what's wrong with dependency.


Hypothetical blue should be dependent on his neighbors not setting up a counter economy.


didn't say they weren't. that's comparative advantage for you. but if hypothetical blue does not believes that her resource is expendable then she can well control its consequent distribution because she is the ultimate supplier for the indispensable future. what do you think?
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Posted 9/27/14
Sounds like the second episode of Trigun where Cliff monopolizes the town's water...So in that case flood the whole neighborhood with said resource and everyone should be happy.



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Posted 9/27/14
You passed on the ownership so it's no longer yours to control. It's all capitalism so technically it's acceptable but seeing as I'm a socialist I can at least say that it's morally wrong - if not legally.
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Posted 9/28/14

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Submitted for your consideration, Crunchyrollers, is the following hypothetical situation. All you need to do is to read it and determine whether you feel the hypothetical me is in the right, in the wrong, or neither. Explanations are appreciated, but are not mandatory.

Suppose I hold a great deal of some essential resource (it could be anything essential), enough that I'm able to keep a sufficient supply for myself and sell it all around my neighborhood. Now, there's this one household that has a tendency to not pay its bills for this resource, and so I stop supplying them. The ethics of that itself could be debated, but let's assume for the sake of argument that it's ethical that I do so.

Let's further suppose that there are other households in this neighborhood which purchase that essential resource from me as customers in good standing, paying their bills on time every time. I proceed to tell them that while they're free to buy as much of this resource as they like from me they're absolutely not allowed to then turn around and sell it to that household which has a tendency to not pay its bills even if they pay me a fair market rate for the full amount of that resource during that initial transaction. In fact, I threaten to cut off their own supplies to the resource if they dare even try to do so.

Am I in the right, or in the wrong? And more interestingly, how would you respond to that?

My Opinion

Hypothetical me is waaaay in the wrong and needs to be condemned by the entire neighborhood. Hypothetical me should be ignored, and that resource should be sold freely to the household which doesn't pay its bills if such is the inclination of the people purchasing it from me upon their having done so. That resource ceases to be mine the moment I sell it and I have no right to dictate its future use/sale.




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Posted 9/28/14 , edited 9/28/14

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Posted 9/29/14

Kokirininja wrote:

Sounds like the second episode of Trigun where Cliff monopolizes the town's water...So in that case flood the whole neighborhood with said resource and everyone should be happy.





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