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Posted 9/28/14 , edited 9/29/14
Well, it doesn't take much to figure out that most of the anime viewer base watches illegal anime on illegal streaming services.

Watching illegal anime is something that will hurt the industry, it may not damage the industry today or in 10 years... But eventually it will damage the industry. And it doesn't help when legal anime is harder to get a hold of compared to illegal anime.

I decided to boot up the windows store on my PC and searched for anime... Guess what the first thing that come up was? This, a free illegal streaming app for Attack on titan! I've seen similar search results on android... I don't know how it is on IOS since I don't own a iPhone or iPad.



If you compare anime to other mediums like mainstream movies then you won't see them in online store such as google play or windowds store. I couldn't even find a illegal streaming service when I specified what movies I was after.



And I'm well aware at the fact that the Japanese government has stepped up and tried to promote legal streaming services outside Japan... However, I just don't see why they and anime companies aren't tracking down on stuff like this instead of just making a useless service that no sane person would use.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-863277/japanese-government-thanking-illegal-anime-sites

So what's your take on this?
Posted 9/28/14
can't do anything about it
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Posted 9/28/14 , edited 9/29/14
The iTunes Store has a pretty decent selection of anime, actually, a lot of which comes from here and Funimation.

As for illegal sites, they're the first thing that comes up whenever I do a title search..."watch buh-buh for free online on blah-blah". I'd love to see these disappear off the face of the earth.
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Posted 9/28/14 , edited 9/29/14
I watch things I can here on crunchyroll legally. (I have a paid account for HD). EVerything else, when I want to watch it, I watch it somewhere else. That's final, and not going to change, no matter how many people/companies/governments whine about and/or what there arguments are. If I want to watch a show, I will watch it, right now. I won't be the only imbecile in my entire friend circle who won't watch an airing show just because it doesn't happen to be available on crunchyroll, only to be spoiled everytime I open facebook, so that if it finally gets licensed 6 months later I won't have any fun watching it anymore. PERIOD.
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Posted 9/28/14

severticas wrote:

can't do anything about it


Well, it's possible to change it. Considering the fact that mainstream movie (Hollywood) companies get these type off apps taken offline whit content ID and by suing the living crap out of the devs whom upload them. Anime companies such as FUNimation and CR could do the same thing since these free apps damage their income.
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Posted 9/28/14
It's impossible to get rid of, there are too many illegal sites and if one got taken down another would take its place.
Posted 9/28/14

TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:


severticas wrote:

can't do anything about it


Well, it's possible to change it. Considering the fact that mainstream movie (Hollywood) companies get these type off apps taken offline whit content ID and by suing the living crap out of the devs whom upload them. Anime companies such as FUNimation and CR could do the same thing since these free apps damage their income.


it's a never ending story, trust me. if hypothetical oni can stop the re distribution of her rare resource for sure, then i'll listen.
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Posted 9/28/14 , edited 9/28/14

Vatta wrote:

It's impossible to get rid of, there are too many illegal sites and if one got taken down another would take its place.


It does seem that way. I watch most anime here and I buy DVDs. It is sad that people would watch it illegally and I have even seen people post links to such sites on this forum. I don't really know what the answer is. People will always pirate stuff, be it music/films/anime but the satisfaction of actually helping the anime industry means I don't mind paying a bit of money.

At least I am helping out the best I can <3
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All I can say is that while piracy will always be a problem, now the anime companies are actually starting to deal with services like Crunchyroll, they'll start to gain ground and eventually the whole sector will become healthier, with piracy only being undertaken by those who would never pay regardless of the quality/price of service.

The music industry and PC videogame industry went through similar things. The music industry originally hated working with digital services and instead wasted billions in legal action before they realised that if they changed their business model, they could carry on making money in new ways. These days on PC, we have services like Steam, Origin and others, which might face criticism but they have succeeded in making piracy less attractive compared to the legit alternative.

The anime industry is starting to move in the same way, and it's good to see. I'm old enough to remember the days of VHS and early DVD, when anime was very hard to come by in the UK (much easier in the US) and piracy was, for many people, the only option to watch anime. It wasn't even a money thing; they would've been willing to pay, but it just wasn't available. When anime moved to DVD, the distributors really gouged us; for example, when Gundam Wing got a UK release, each volume of 5eps was £15/10$ (by then-exchange-rates), which puts the price of the series at £150/$250, with many series getting only a partial release (like they'd release 3 volumes and just "stop").

Today, things have completely changed, and sites like this one (and various others, even Netflix) are doing their part to move media to newer business models. Really, these places are so cheap that piracy is becoming less of an attractive option given how hassle-free legal streaming is. I believe that over time, the series available will become wider in range, and "premium" services will evolve for the most high-profile shows, but either way, things have gotten better and will continue to do so.
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Posted 9/28/14 , edited 9/29/14
If it's available to steam/on TV legally, people shouldn't pirate it. However, since a frustratingly large amount of shows are only accessible to me via technically illegal means, I feel no guilt accessing them that way. It's not my fault that anime producers seem to view international markets as a threat/inconvenience rather than an opportunity.
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Posted 9/28/14

Lancehot wrote:

If it's available to steam/on TV legally, people shouldn't pirate it. However, since a frustratingly large amount of shows are only accessible to me via technically illegal means, I feel no guilt accessing them that way. It's not my fault that anime producers seem to view international markets as a threat/inconvenience rather than an opportunity.


I agree hate hearing about a new anime even on here when if i only watched them on Crunchyroll or Funimation I would never be able to watch it.
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Ultimately, I can see why people stream illegally. Especially if you live somewhere like I do, where the amount of anime you can access is limited far more than, say, the US, it's easy to think 'Why should I pay for a limited collection of HD anime here, when I could watch 20 times more in HD for free without adverts over here?'. Especially if you live in the UK, you've no idea how frustrating it is to see a ton of articles say 'Crunchyroll will be streaming so-and-so... EXCLUSIVELY IN THE US!' which is a massive kick in the nuts to anyone who isn't from there. From a consumer standpoint piracy is a far more efficient and attractive offer.

Will it ever disappear? No. You see, you can get rid of the websites, but you can't track down every single person who has those entire shows downloaded to their PC, and what can they do with them? That's right, upload them to another website. Much like any form of piracy, it can't be stopped, and likely isn't going anywhere anytime soon. At the end of the day, I honestly feel the only way to stop people from remotely considering using a piracy site, would be to offer a legal streaming site with thousands upon thousands of anime in HD, available everywhere and not restricted to certain countries. The only way to beat piracy is to offer a better service than the piracy sites are doing, which is honestly an incredibly large task, but it's also common sense. To beat your rivals, you must do better than they do, and currently that's not really the case. Anime is certainly more accessible on the legal front these days, but it's still not enough.
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Posted 9/28/14

TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:

Well, it doesn't take much to figure out that most of the anime viewer base watches illegal anime on illegal streaming services.

Watching illegal anime is something that will hurt the industry, it may not damage the industry today or in 10 years... But eventually it will damage the industry. And it doesn't help when legal anime is harder to get a hold of compared to illegal anime.

I decided to boot up the windows store on my PC and searched for anime... Guess what the first thing that come up was? This, a free illegal streaming app for Attack on titan! I've seen similar search results on android... I don't know how it is on IOS since I don't own a iPhone or iPad.



If you compare anime to other mediums like mainstream movies then you won't see them in online store such as google play or windowds store. I couldn't even find a illegal streaming service when I specified what movies I was after.



And I'm well aware at the fact that the Japanese government has stepped up and tried to promote legal streaming services outside Japan... However, I just don't see why they and anime companies aren't tracking down on stuff like this instead of just making a useless service that no sane person would use.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-863277/japanese-government-thanking-illegal-anime-sites

So what's your take on this?


Man I don't know if you know this or not, but the Windows store is notorious for having fake or illegal sourced apps in there. There at one point was literally an app for 1 dollar that was just a link to the company site for that app, I think it was swift key.

Really the truth is though people will always find a way to do what they want, legal or otherwise.
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Posted 9/28/14 , edited 9/29/14

BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:

Ultimately, I can see why people stream illegally. Especially if you live somewhere like I do, where the amount of anime you can access is limited far more than, say, the US, it's easy to think 'Why should I pay for a limited collection of HD anime here, when I could watch 20 times more in HD for free without adverts over here?'. Especially if you live in the UK, you've no idea how frustrating it is to see a ton of articles say 'Crunchyroll will be streaming so-and-so... EXCLUSIVELY IN THE US!' which is a massive kick in the nuts to anyone who isn't from there. From a consumer standpoint piracy is a far more efficient and attractive offer.


This guy's got it. While I subscribe to CR, I'm always aware that I don't get as much for my money as US subscribers do. Not by MILES.

Further, there's this problem:

Western company buys anime license, and "OH SHIT IT'S IN JAPANESE... Who will translate this in a week for fifty pence?"

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"Oh cool, you bid to do it in three days for twenty pence? And your qualifications? Amazing, you once read the broken English on a Japanese billboard, you're hired!"

The result of this is that we get boxed sets like Yuyushiki, where they use BOLD YELLOW SUBTITLES because apparently there are still people around who think those are a good idea. And they aren't funny. The fansub is infinitely better.

If you want people to stop using fansubs, you have to make your product better than the one they peddle for free. You have to make it available conveniently, AND you have to do it at a low price.

Like that'll ever happen.


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Posted 9/28/14 , edited 9/29/14
I believe that they let the piracy spread too much and people sort have the idea that anime is free now. So the people doing it illegally don't even know what they are doing...
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