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It's been proven time and again that modern "piracy" (the media is very fond of that term for many things) in the digital age stems from lack of accessibility. When people can't get it legally with ease, they will result to the most convenient method, even if it isn't 100% ethical. There's also the issue that, as mentioned here several times, the official subs are vastly sub par to some of the fan subs out there. People will continue to pirate shows both licensed and not until both of those problems are solved with better methods than having to sub to three or four different sites to catch all your favorite shows and the official subs don't end up horrible for the shows that they do. Times today are certainly better than paying a lot of money for 3-4 episodes or waiting months on end for the entire season or series to come out for the same amount of money for shows you may or may not like, but they could still stand to improve.

Yes, I do find gripes with people that continue to do it when there are legal alternatives, but ultimately there is not much I could do about it than just do things the right way myself. It's also thanks to things like fansubs that I know about some series that I otherwise would not have known about. I have gone on to buy DVDs of the series I really liked.

I myself just have a Crunchyroll subs but CR has most of what I want to watch...except Funimation's growing collection. I might sub there soon, but CR has been enough for me.

As for the subs problem, I myself started learning Japanese in hopes of one day not needing subs. I'd be at that point if all the people I could speak in Japanese to didn't return to the home country years ago.
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Anime piracy is the same as piracy for anything, it's free to pirate and often times easier to access than it's legal counterpart.

Companies need to start making it more convenient for customers to use their services, rather than getting it for free from a torrent site or something. Some good examples are Netflix and Steam, they both supply content in an easy to use environment, which makes it more convenient to use as opposed to searching for a torrent.
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well, i wish we could get more bandai shows up on the legal ways since mostly likey best way to watch is threw the illegal method since most these sites such as netflix,hulu, and even crunchy row do not got gundam! And as a gundam fan, gamer play on my jap account to play gundam battle operation game on ps3.

Also note in said that gundaminfo on youtube finaly start steaming anime on there channel of shows and new one call build fighters.
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I don't illegally stream anime except in the following situations:
-It's a really old one that never was popular in English or even released in English
-I'm not sold on it and I want to check it out, but it's not legally available for free
-It will never air on TV or be on a DVD again

The reason being is because a lot of my favourite animes have been affected by piracy (i.e. left unlicensed due to unprofitability). I want there to be enough demand for dubbed releases.

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I use to use illegal sites when I was younger, but once I found CR I stopped. I just don't feel the need to use illegal sites anymore, I still consider it when CR doesn't have a series I really want to watch, but in the end I decide against it. So if you ask me, legal streaming sites are definitely helping.
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I only do stuff like that when it's an OVA I really want to see, know I'll buy as soon as I find an official American video, and know an official American one won't come for a year at least. Like for example, the Tonari No Seki-kun DVD-exclusive episodes. I can't afford a region free DVD player, so, I would've had to wait a long time for those.
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DoctorJoeCool wrote:

I only do stuff like that when it's an OVA I really want to see, know I'll buy as soon as I find an official American video, and know an official American one won't come for a year at least. Like for example, the Tonari No Seki-kun DVD-exclusive episodes. I can't afford a region free DVD player, so, I would've had to wait a long time for those.


If you have a PC then you already have a region free DVD player.

Let me explain, a PC DVD player is region locked by default. However the region locking only applies to pre-installed software (i.e windows media player), meanimg that you can install software like vlc and play your DVD's even if they're not from the same region as your PC.
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TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:


DoctorJoeCool wrote:

I only do stuff like that when it's an OVA I really want to see, know I'll buy as soon as I find an official American video, and know an official American one won't come for a year at least. Like for example, the Tonari No Seki-kun DVD-exclusive episodes. I can't afford a region free DVD player, so, I would've had to wait a long time for those.


If you have a PC then you already have a region free DVD player.

Let me explain, a PC DVD player is region locked by default. However the region locking only applies to pre-installed software (i.e windows media player), meanimg that you can install software like vlc and play your DVD's even if they're not from the same region as your PC.


Oh, thanks! However, that one doesn't have subtitles on its DVD, so I would've needed to find a fansub anyway.
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I think for the most part Anime fans like their Anime and want it fast as they can get it. A lot of times the illegal sites just get the shows faster and people enjoy it that way. No different than years ago when I FIRST got deep into imported anime with VHS fansubs. That was the only way we would get to see full seasons and episodes of Dragon Ball Z and ect. They need to do a better job like they are lately with sites like CR and such to distribute the anime faster and better for people that want to watch it. If they had CR back in the days it would have built a better culture for getting anime more legally. Make it easier for sites to acquire titles legally and fairly then the illegal stuff should go by the wayside. It will always be around illegally simply because people like taking the back door but if you have responsible services that supply the anime swiftly and affordable... it should diminish the need to illegally download anything. Worked for Adobe and their subscriptions I'm sure.
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I used to watch all animes I liked illegally, mainly because:

- Most of the good animes won't air nor being sold in my country (exept pokemon and other few)
- Streaming is more convenient than buying (thus less space needed)
- I don't like dubbed anime

I still stream animes illegally with exeption for what Crunchyroll has to offer.
But atleast I can support the anime business thanks to Crunchyroll without having to import my Anime stuff ^^
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I don't care. If I want to watch an anime and it's not available here on Crunchyroll then very likely I'll watch it somewhere else.
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I stick with Crunchyroll just because of the great site layout. Sometimes CR just doesn't stream every anime in a season and there's no other way to watch those other shows except through illegal sites with fansubs. I would purchase dvd bundles of shows I love but I still want to be able to watch all shows people in other countries do without paying more than a service like cable television or netflix.
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Posted 9/29/14 , edited 9/29/14

potatoheads wrote:

I used to watch all animes I liked illegally, mainly because:

- Most of the good animes won't air nor being sold in my country (exept pokemon and other few)
- Streaming is more convenient than buying (thus less space needed)
- I don't like dubbed anime

I still stream animes illegally with exeption for what Crunchyroll has to offer.
But atleast I can support the anime business thanks to Crunchyroll without having to import my Anime stuff ^^


You can't watch it illegally and support anime. Because watching it illegally does more harm.

And you can stream here, and most of it is subbed. So 2/3 of your points for "illegal" watching are not really vaild.
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Pfft, illegal streaming is for chumps. If you're gonna go shady, do it in style -- torrent it!


KisaiGate wrote:

It's been proven time and again that modern "piracy" (the media is very fond of that term for many things) in the digital age stems from lack of accessibility. When people can't get it legally with ease, they will result to the most convenient method, even if it isn't 100% ethical. There's also the issue that, as mentioned here several times, the official subs are vastly sub par to some of the fan subs out there.


Right.

Product not accessible otherwise? Torrent it.
Legal product inferior? Fansubs, HO!

Except for one thing: convenience.

CR's streams are inferior to most reputable fansubs in most respects. The biggest advantage CR has over them is convenience. It takes a lot less effort to pop onto CR, click your queue, and go than it does to grab Yuurisan's latest release and watch it. Even if you're a savvy, experienced pirate, it's still just a little more effort. CR wins the unsavvy and the lazy.

Let's see, for me, the difference is basically a few extra clicks and a few hundred MB of hard drive space. No biggie. But I'm lazy, and I've found that the queue helps me keep up with my anime, since I know when it's coming, and most anime is not stuff I'd wanna keep anyway, so why download it unless I dislike the translation and want to see what Exiled-Destiny's take was?

CR also has that advantage over the illegal streaming sites, which are shady and often unreliable and potentially malware-laden.
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Posted 9/29/14 , edited 9/29/14

xAnimeMadx wrote:

You can't watch it illegally and support anime. Because watching it illegally does more harm.



Proof?


As per post above, fansubs are much higher quality for very little additional work. Often they have better translations, much better typesetting, kara, sign translations, and the ability to watch offline.

How much money does the anime industry make from CR subs? Not exactly much. Most of their money comes from merch sales. Figmas, dakimakuras, BDs, manga/LNs, all those goodies.
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