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Racism in Anime(Some spoilers).
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How do you feel about it? I notice it a lot when watching older anime, and tend to just skip the series, or finish it, if it pops up later.

Whats your take on it?

Also my reason for bringing this up, is because CR starting airing Terrorformers, and it pretty much jas some of the racist characters I've seen in a modern anime, and have to drop it after getting hyped from the first episode

Manga images.(Spoilers)

http://www.projectafterforums.com/uploads/monthly_02_2014/post-303-1393524107.jpg

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stereotypes.
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I think racism is quite evident in these shows considering japanese culture. Let's be honest, these people have their own opinions of us as well. I notice in anime, an american or european is often giving small blue eyes with a broader nose and often tall, where as the asian characters often have silky hair, big eyes and small noses. It's rather weird considering most anime characters are closer to white people than actual asians.
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I think racism is quite evident in these shows considering japanese culture. Let's be honest, these people have their own opinions of us as well. I notice in anime, an american or european is often giving small blue eyes with a broader nose and often tall, where as the asian characters often have silky hair, big eyes and small noses. It's rather weird considering most anime characters are closer to white people than actual asians.


I've notice this. I once had am argument with a friend that said all anime characters are "white" people. I argued that it was just a prefenace and that in a respective show characters have ethnicities i.e. most being Japanese since most shows take place or not having any at all shown like DBZ. But all that was in vain in his eyes by how the characters look.
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^ Would you be shocked to know that many Japanese people think of it the other way around? I know they're shocked at what we think.

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Lactis wrote:


StateAlchemistAlex wrote:

I think racism is quite evident in these shows considering japanese culture. Let's be honest, these people have their own opinions of us as well. I notice in anime, an american or european is often giving small blue eyes with a broader nose and often tall, where as the asian characters often have silky hair, big eyes and small noses. It's rather weird considering most anime characters are closer to white people than actual asians.


I've notice this. I once had am argument with a friend that said all anime characters are "white" people. I argued that it was just a prefenace and that in a respective show characters have ethnicities i.e. most being Japanese since most shows take place or not having any at all shown like DBZ. But all that was in vain in his eyes by how the characters look.


It's really hard to really tell what they are trying to represent to be honest. Because sometimes it's really obvious that a character is Japanese because they have the black or brown hair with the pale or tan skin and an obvious Japanese name, where as sometimes "white" people who are obviously meant to be white don't look any different compared to their Asian anime counterpart (in terms of general facial features).

take these two for example. Obvious European girl VS Obvious Asian girl (Blonde was said to be European and the Black hair was said to be Japanese in the show).



So honestly, I think it just depends on who publishes what and such and how they feel anime character should look like. I often just like to think of them as a made up race living in an international world where they aren't really bound by the "stereotype" of races and how a certain race should look like.

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1) Overwhelming majority of Asians love white people. Love them.

2) See above.

3) Dark/or non fair skin is seriously looked down in Asia, and you will get treated differently. And very badly.

4) Anime characters look cartoony!white and nothing like an Asian-cartoony figure. Don't deny this.

5) Sometimes a white person will get made fun of in anime/manga, but it is rare. Very rare.

6) Anime goes out of its way to exaggerate Black features for example, yet Asian features are kept the same as a white character?

7) If anime was being honest, all the Asian characters would resemble Mulan, from Disney's Mulan, or something in a similar vein.



Now that is how you draw a cartoony-looking Asian, NOT the way anime/manga draws them.

8) Stop making excuses about this.
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1) Overwhelming majority of Asians love white people. Love them.

2) See above.

3) Dark/or non fair skin is seriously looked down in Asia, and you will get treated differently. And very badly.

4) Anime characters look cartoony!white and nothing like an Asian-cartoony figure. Don't deny this.

5) Sometimes a white person will get made fun of in anime/manga, but it is rare. Very rare.



to be fair, anime characters are drawn with Asian facial features in mind, and i mean the small noses and round faces with the non protruding eyes. The big eyes is just a signature thing that's essential to classical depiction of an anime character . But if you've ever seen asian vs white people cosplay anime, the asians destroy them where as white people destroy them when it comes to western related things like super heroes and such. When those Asian girls cosplay and use contacts and stuff it's incredible what they can do!
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StateAlchemistAlex wrote:


Lactis wrote:


StateAlchemistAlex wrote:

I think racism is quite evident in these shows considering japanese culture. Let's be honest, these people have their own opinions of us as well. I notice in anime, an american or european is often giving small blue eyes with a broader nose and often tall, where as the asian characters often have silky hair, big eyes and small noses. It's rather weird considering most anime characters are closer to white people than actual asians.


I've notice this. I once had am argument with a friend that said all anime characters are "white" people. I argued that it was just a prefenace and that in a respective show characters have ethnicities i.e. most being Japanese since most shows take place or not having any at all shown like DBZ. But all that was in vain in his eyes by how the characters look.


It's really hard to really tell what they are trying to represent to be honest. Because sometimes it's really obvious that a character is Japanese because they have the black or brown hair with the pale or tan skin and an obvious Japanese name, where as sometimes "white" people who are obviously meant to be white don't look any different compared to their Asian anime counterpart (in terms of general facial features).

take these two for example. Obvious European girl VS Obvious Asian girl (Blonde was said to be European and the Black hair was said to be Japanese in the show).



So honestly, I think it just depends on who publishes what and such and how they feel anime character should look like. I often just like to think of them as a made up race living in an international world where they aren't really bound by the "stereotype" of races and how a certain race should look like.



I agree with everything you said except for one thing. I hate how the word race is used, almost like it separates all of us. We're part of the Human "Race" with different cultures and backgrounds. Just my personal pet peeve.


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1) Overwhelming majority of Asians love white people. Love them.

2) See above.

3) Dark/or non fair skin is seriously looked down in Asia, and you will get treated differently. And very badly.

4) Anime characters look cartoony!white and nothing like an Asian-cartoony figure. Don't deny this.

5) Sometimes a white person will get made fun of in anime/manga, but it is rare. Very rare.

6) Anime goes out of its way to exaggerate Black features for example, yet Asian features are kept the same as a white character?

7) If anime was being honest, all the Asian characters would resemble Mulan, from Disney's Mulan.



Now that is how you draw a cartoony-looking Asian, NOT the way anime/manga draws them.


A shame this is all true, that's why I love those anime that embrace culture and steer away from the stereotypes.
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to be fair, anime characters are drawn with Asian facial features in mind, and i mean the small noses and round faces with the non protruding eyes. The big eyes is just a signature thing that's essential to classical depiction of an anime character . But if you've ever seen asian vs white people cosplay anime, the asians destroy them where as white people destroy them when it comes to western related things like super heroes and such. When those Asian girls cosplay and use contacts and stuff it's incredible what they can do!


You completely ignored numbers 6, 7, and 8 of my commentary why is that?

...You know what, I am actually just going to be damn lazy and copy and paste what I wrote on another similar thread over to here. http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-859691/why-do-the-majority-of-anime-characters-look-whitecaucasian?pg=3

1) The majority of characters do not look Japanese in the SLIGHTEST. If anyone who didn't know anime at all looked at the art, they would naturally think the characters are white. Sure, they are still cartoons and features are exaggerated in cartoons, but their features are far more white than Asian any day.

2) If anime was really being true to Japanese looks, the characters would generally look much much closer to Mulan from Disney's Mulan.

When Disney for example, animates white and non-white characters, they make them look like cartoony versions of their race or ethnicity. When Japan makes anime, they look much, much closer to white.

How funny.

3) As soon as there is a non European/Japanese person (ESPECIALLY a person with dark or stereotypically darker skin) they immediately get colored in, and if they are Black they get stereotypical features applied.

4) If they character is Black, you can be sure that anime will suddenly give that character larger lips, kinker hair, wider noses. Almost always. This is very unfair, because if they are going to do this, then the Japanese characters should NOT have funky colored hair, massive, multi colored eyes and should look more Japanese as well.

5) There are many animes and mangas out there that feature a Black character. Their features are almost always suddenly drawn in. If you're going to draw in stereotypically thicker lips, wider noses - why can't you also draw in the typical Asian face of narrow eyes, rounder faces? If the character happens to be darker skinned but not Black (like Middle-Eastern or Indian for example)- their skin is just colored in. (Which is funny, because a lot of Middle-Eastern people and some Indian people have lighter/very light skin, and they are Caucasian by default - look at their features). If you're going to color in skin, why can't you keep the Asian characters' hair ALL dark ,and their eyes all dark as well? What nonsense!

6) No one as usual wants to mention this, but Asians LOVE European features, they LOVE THEM. I as an Asian know this and this worship of white features DISGUSTS ME. Many Asians want the stereotypically bigger eyes, longer noses, naturally fair skin, etc. Take a look at the madness that is "wanting to look more Western" plastic surgery across Asia, and especially in South Korea. Or just take a look at how Europeans are worshiped or at least treated much better than non-Europeans, or people of non-European descent.
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SoldierSangria wrote:

1) Overwhelming majority of Asians love white people. Love them.

2) See above.

3) Dark/or non fair skin is seriously looked down in Asia, and you will get treated differently. And very badly.

4) Anime characters look cartoony!white and nothing like an Asian-cartoony figure. Don't deny this.

5) Sometimes a white person will get made fun of in anime/manga, but it is rare. Very rare.

6) Anime goes out of its way to exaggerate Black features for example, yet Asian features are kept the same as a white character?

7) If anime was being honest, all the Asian characters would resemble Mulan, from Disney's Mulan, or something in a similar vein.



Now that is how you draw a cartoony-looking Asian, NOT the way anime/manga draws them.

8) Stop making excuses about this.


Of course we can't well deny this since most of us are from the English community. It's less about your race and more of where you grew up that decides how a race should be represented in art. There are also such things as bias on which aspect of the face you pay attention to depending on this.

Ask the Japanese people and what do you get? I haven't yet seen anyone prove that these styles look white to Japanese eyes. I feel this is the essential bit that basically everyone misses.
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StateAlchemistAlex wrote:

to be fair, anime characters are drawn with Asian facial features in mind, and i mean the small noses and round faces with the non protruding eyes. The big eyes is just a signature thing that's essential to classical depiction of an anime character . But if you've ever seen asian vs white people cosplay anime, the asians destroy them where as white people destroy them when it comes to western related things like super heroes and such. When those Asian girls cosplay and use contacts and stuff it's incredible what they can do!


You completely ignored numbers 6, 7, and 8 of my commentary why is that?

...You know what, I am actually just going to be damn lazy and copy and paste what I wrote on another similar thread over to here. http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-859691/why-do-the-majority-of-anime-characters-look-whitecaucasian?pg=3

1) The majority of characters do not look Japanese in the SLIGHTEST. If anyone who didn't know anime at all looked at the art, they would naturally think the characters are white. Sure, they are still cartoons and features are exaggerated in cartoons, but their features are far more white than Asian any day.

2) If anime was really being true to Japanese looks, the characters would generally look much much closer to Mulan from Disney's Mulan.

When Disney for example, animates white and non-white characters, they make them look like cartoony versions of their race or ethnicity. When Japan makes anime, they look much, much closer to white.

How funny.

3) As soon as there is a non European/Japanese person (ESPECIALLY a person with dark or stereotypically darker skin) they immediately get colored in, and if they are Black they get stereotypical features applied.

4) If they character is Black, you can be sure that anime will suddenly give that character larger lips, kinker hair, wider noses. Almost always. This is very unfair, because if they are going to do this, then the Japanese characters should NOT have funky colored hair, massive, multi colored eyes and should look more Japanese as well.

5) There are many animes and mangas out there that feature a Black character. Their features are almost always suddenly drawn in. If you're going to draw in stereotypically thicker lips, wider noses - why can't you also draw in the typical Asian face of narrow eyes, rounder faces? If the character happens to be darker skinned but not Black (like Middle-Eastern or Indian for example)- their skin is just colored in. (Which is funny, because a lot of Middle-Eastern people and some Indian people have lighter/very light skin, and they are Caucasian by default - look at their features). If you're going to color in skin, why can't you keep the Asian characters' hair ALL dark ,and their eyes all dark as well? What nonsense!

6) No one as usual wants to mention this, but Asians LOVE European features, they LOVE THEM. I as an Asian know this and this worship of white features DISGUSTS ME. Many Asians want the stereotypically bigger eyes, longer noses, naturally fair skin, etc. Take a look at the madness that is "wanting to look more Western" plastic surgery across Asia, and especially in South Korea. Or just take a look at how Europeans are worshiped or at least treated much better than non-Europeans, or people of non-European descent.


I don't care about your post 6,7 and 8. Lets be clear about that. Aside from your over ambient presence of ignorance, read my previous post where I stated that in the end, I simply believe anime characters aren't bound by the laws of races. This is because it's shaped to just entertain people. We get it that Asians or White people for that matter look nothing like the characters represented in most shows. NOT everybody looks like Mulan and if it were to be an accurate portray of the standard Asian then yes they probably would look very similar ( I agree with you there) and not ALL white people look like the ones represented in some shows. And I get your "every Asian want's to look white thing", sadly that does happen, but I don't think anime characters are built on that wanting of a superior culture "look", anime wasn't born with that in mind, anime is an art style, it's meant to draw the viewer to a different world. Big eyes are there because they are signature to it. And in terms of the pale skin and hair colours and things, well duh obviously they are going to have characters like that. If every character had black hair and tan or pale skin that would get dull and you wouldn't have a unique character. Variety is the spice of life.

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You mention this before. Why do they love them so much?
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Of course we can't well deny this since most of us are from the English community. It's less about your race and more of where you grew up that decides how a race should be represented in art. There are also such things as bias on which aspect of the face you pay attention to depending on this.

Ask the Japanese people and what do you get? I haven't yet seen anyone prove that these styles look white to Japanese eyes. I feel this is the essential bit that basically everyone misses.


My ethnicity is Asian. I've been to Asian countries, grew up with other Asians, I know what is liked. The features of Europeans/white people are desirable, though many will not tell you this outright and many on here are sure to deny my comment though it is undeniably true.

Anyway, there are some examples of series (anime/manga) where the art is drawn much more realistically, and much more "Asian". Oddly enough, the art for these series (like for example, Flowers of Evil) got a lot of complaint. A lot. Seems like they don't like seering characters who look much closer to themselves. Talk about self-hatred.
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You mention this before. Why do they love them so much?


Light skin, for millennia, has always been the standard of beauty in any Asian country. This, couples with the different colored hair/eyes of stereotypical Europeans naturally became very popular.
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