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labeling in the anime community.
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So this has been posted a few times before most likely.

However, I would like to ask; what is the obsession with everyone labeling one another?

I constantly see the term "weeaboo" thrown around without much thought to its meaning.

From my own research and many years of first hand experience, i have come to understand the term as referring to those of the anime community who denounce their own culture and their own language and spew glorified and often falsified facts about Japanese culture and often use words out of context without even knowing the actual hiragana and katakana spelling.

I honest to god, hate that term. "weeaboo". I always see it thrown around you-tube and various other forums, often directed at an anime fan or a user with an anime DP.

Is it just me, or does the vast population of internet users lack critical thinking skills and the ability to easily Google a term before throwing it at someone in order to slander them for no apparent reason?

How does an anime DP make one a weeaboo? simple answer, it doesn't.

So what is with the constant use of this extremely vulgar and offense term? Is it used so much due to the lack of intelligence of the common "troll"?.

I also see the term Lolicon thrown around alot. Mostly by users who claim to be a "lolicon". I for one would just like to elaborate on what the true meaning of that word is.

A lolicon is a simple way of calling someone a pedophile in japan, its derived from the novel Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov where a father wants to have sex with his under-aged step daughter. Calling yourself a lolicon is literally telling the world you want to penetrate a pre pubescent and under-aged minor, be that animated or real. There is a difference between being attracted to characters of age (going to go with 16 and up, since the large majority of anime fans are in the age bracket of 16-30) with loli like features (large eyes, small face, flat chest [which is justice imo] and soft spoken voices). That does not make you a "lolicon" it means you have a particularly great taste in women. (I myself am attracted to smaller girls being im a 6,1 giant). I find alot of anime fans don't understand some of the terms they label themselves as. As a student of university level Japanese culture studies, I can guarantee you, labeling yourself as a lolicon in japan, would have some pretty steep penalties in the way people look at you.

So once again, do not call yourself a lolicon, it doesn't mean that you like girls with Lolita like appearances, it means you want to have sex with a minor. Say something like "I am attracted to characters with a more loli aesthetic". While on the internet, this wont be much of a problem, I just wanted to mention it after a friend of mine went to Japan and was fired from his work place for wearing a shirt that said "Lolicon and proud".

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Whats everyones opinions on the labels, Otaku, Weeaboo and Lolicon? do you label yourself as any of these? or has someone ever labeled you as one?
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Misuse of Japanese words is unfortunate result of weeabooism, which is a rapid occurrence in anime fan communities in the west.
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lol, people label others whether they do it implicitly or not, it's sad to think within the limits they cage their thoughts under. and why do you hate the word "weeaboo" so much? look beyond it.
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I mean, I don't think the term "weeaboo" should be taken seriously. I get called that almost everyday.
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I sat here and tried to come up with some kind of explanation for why people might use and misuse the term 'otaku,' but honestly, it all just boiled down to the fact that they likely don't realize it has negative connotations, and only use it to be able to pick out other anime fans. Honestly, I don't think I hear 'otaku' used much outside of uninformed teens in middle / high school, or people who are just generally misinformed and haven't bothered to do any research. Which, in itself, is an issue, albeit another story.

I suppose that's when we tack on the 'weeaboo' label - when people misuse, appropriate, and are generally ignorant of Japanese culture and traditions, yet still try to make it seem like they know what they're talking about. I guess the term 'weeaboo' would have more of the negative connotation in the west that 'otaku' does in Japan. It's just thrown around a lot, because it started as a joke insult, and turned into something that people actually use. I'm now a director for my local anime convention, but I still wouldn't call myself a weeaboo or an otaku; I'll happily admit that I'm a huge fan of anime, but I'm still trying to at least understand the culture and learn about the differences between their culture and my own before saying or doing anything with it.

I remember seeing a post on tumblr with Hayao Miyazaki - a series of screenshots from the documentary 'The Kingdom of Dreams and Madness.' In it, someone asks him if he would call himself an otaku, and he replies with something along the lines of, "No, because an otaku never learns anything." And I think that's pretty accurate for both otaku and weeaboos; in general, they're people who enjoy and consume the content and products of the industry, but never learn anything or try to better themselves / educate themselves in the long run.

As for the term 'lolicon,' or 'shotacon,' it's disgusting, and I'm pretty sure anyone who uses it to describe themselves probably doesn't understand what it actually means. Honestly, people shouldn't just pick up terms and run with them like that unless they actually understand what it means - both in our culture and in other cultures. I'm not surprised your friend got fired for that.
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People just enjoy labeling things, even themselves, and accuracy seems to exert surprisingly little influence upon usage. Just one of those things, I guess.
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I don't label myself as any of them because I, like you, realise the west has butchered their meanings completely like they so often do. As annoying as I find the word weeaboo, I see that as the ultimate straw man. Once you claim someone's interests in animation (or anything for that matter) determine how right they are on a separate topic you've lost. What's more, like you say, liking anime doesn't instantly mean you have a biased positive outlook on the entirety of Japanese culture beforehand. Otaku, again, that has incredibly derogatory connotations and claiming you're one isn't something to be proud of, nor is the whole lolicon thing. I mean seriously, why the fuck would you openly say 'I'm super turned on by the bodies of infants'. I mean, if someone's going to get off to images of kids I'd rather they be fictional pictures but still, the connotations attached to what you're saying are just- do you even know what you're on about when you call yourself a lolicon? A lot of people in the anime fandom slap the most horrible labels on themselves and then act like they're all cool. An otaku is generally a lowlife who can't socialise properly and is unhealthily addicted to their hobby. That's not a good thing! As for me, I actually am an otaku (though to a lesser extreme) and I'm a NEET, but I don't parade it around like it's something positive. It's like saying 'Oh yeah, I'm a super hardcore emo, pretty cool right?' No it's not cool, I pity you if anything, and hope you get better soon. If you're going to call yourself something LEARN what it means first. Much like the whole PC Master Race in gaming, they started as incredibly negative terms, then some asshat thought it would be cool to warp the meaning into something positive, meanwhile those who know what the terms actually mean are hanging our heads in embarrassment behind the scenes.
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yeah i dislike lolicon ...but yeah i'm an otaku and i dont mind the label to be honest since i'm a fan of anime and jrpgs .the labeling thingy is something that is a human thing.we all have labels of some or another....some are labeled black others white or dems or repubs or independent,others are labeled fat while others are labeled skinny....etc etc etc
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we're all losers here
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Well I guess calling yourself an otaku is alot faster than typing out anime lover or I like anime, might just be for convenience. Labeling others gives you a quick idea of others whether it be negative or positive and identifying with a label gives you a sense of community, I don't label myself but I don't see much harm in people labeling themselves whether the label be true to its defined meaning. The meaning of words are forever changing to mean different things over the net.
Posted 10/1/14
Calling yourself an otaku, basically means you're calling yourself a shut-in with no life and an unhealthy obsession. The term otaku is used as an insult in Japan.
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I find it amusing how people misuse the words "otaku" a lot?

When I see the word "weeaboo", I think of an anime fan highly obsess over Japan mainly due to watching too much anime.

Some people see the word "lolicon" as nicer than getting called a pedophile.
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Posted 10/1/14

MissMagicNoodles wrote:

Calling yourself an otaku, basically means you're calling yourself a shut-in with no life and an unhealthy obsession. The term otaku is used as an insult in Japan.


Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't hikikomori the shut-in ?
Aside from that I agree fully with your comment and don't call myself an otaku for above listed reasons.
Posted 10/1/14

Frosty563 wrote:


MissMagicNoodles wrote:

Calling yourself an otaku, basically means you're calling yourself a shut-in with no life and an unhealthy obsession. The term otaku is used as an insult in Japan.


Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't hikikomori the shut-in ?
Aside from that I agree fully with your comment and don't call myself an otaku for above listed reasons.


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Japanese recluse that cuts themself of from society. Usually mute and wont speak to anyone, sleeps all day and watches tv by night or plays on gaming console... I guess you're kind of right. (totally didn't google this)
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