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PhantomGundam wrote:

I've seen plenty of people talk about that girl's "heavy objects" within the last 24 hours.


They ain't talking about the right ones, man.
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Saemonza wrote:


PhantomGundam wrote:

I've seen plenty of people talk about that girl's "heavy objects" within the last 24 hours.


They ain't talking about the right ones, man.


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Uh... a big meh . Lots of talking, mostly by two characters seemingly without a half a brain between them. Very disappointing after Raildex.

It better get better fast, it can't get much worse. (Famous last words.)
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And well. I don't think you should expect anything bigger in terms of military strategy or tactics. Whoever wrote this so far seems to have no idea how that works :p IE some big machines somehow render all warfare pointless except for the machines themselves. Pretty sure every strategist through time is rolling in their graves over that one.


Yep. The design of an Object goes against every trend and convention of modern military technology and technology in general. There's a reason no one uses battleships anymore. The world wouldn't just gave up in the face of a giant testicle that looks like it was ripped off from some 5 year old's idea of the ultimate super tank. Let alone give up because gasp! It barely survived a nuclear strike. The US alone could drop a nuke on an Object every hour on the hour for approximately 196 days straight before it actually ran out of its immediate supply. Then just tag out to Britain.

Nevermind that its a slow moving giant target that is relying on direct line of sight weaponry. Speaking of which, I'm getting pretty sick of seeing modern fighter craft in anime swooping on things like WW2 attack planes. Modern fighter craft don't even see each other anymore during an engagement due to the ranges involved. While modern naval ships can attack from such a range as to be below the horizon and thus be completely immune to any direct line of sight weapon like a laser.

Then there's entrusting the world shattering doomsday weapons to, as usual, a bunch of teenagers. ;p

Yeah, anime has a lot of stupid shit in it generally with these kinds of shows but this show made three critical errors:

1) It tried to take its weapon idea and world building too seriously. Going out of its way to technobabble about how its giant metal testicle is the ultimate weapon.

2) The design of the Objects is awful so the show isn't being protected by the Rule of Cool. I mean how much lazier can you get than a giant ball covered in gun barrels?

3) The Objects can easily blow each other away. So the weapons they're packing are able to easily counter other Objects which renders the entire concept of the Object moot. If you have weapons that can destroy an Object than the Object has no usefulness at all as a weapon platform aside from being slow and easy to target. Literally the only supposed point of the testicle onion design is its armour. If its armour doesn't work, then neither does the Object. So episode 1 invalidates its own plot set up.

All that aside, we have two titsick shitheads, the standard pointlessly sexy authority character and yet another blond Hime-sama.

Not really enthused about this one. -.-





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ImperialDane wrote:
And well. I don't think you should expect anything bigger in terms of military strategy or tactics. Whoever wrote this so far seems to have no idea how that works :p IE some big machines somehow render all warfare pointless except for the machines themselves. Pretty sure every strategist through time is rolling in their graves over that one.


Yep. The design of an Object goes against every trend and convention of modern military technology and technology in general. There's a reason no one uses battleships anymore. The world wouldn't just gave up in the face of a giant testicle that looks like it was ripped off from some 5 year old's idea of the ultimate super tank. Let alone give up because gasp! It barely survived a nuclear strike. The US alone could drop a nuke on an Object every hour on the hour for approximately 196 days straight before it actually ran out of its immediate supply. Then just tag out to Britain.

Nevermind that its a slow moving giant target that is relying on direct line of sight weaponry. Speaking of which, I'm getting pretty sick of seeing modern fighter craft in anime swooping on things like WW2 attack planes. Modern fighter craft don't even see each other anymore during an engagement due to the ranges involved. While modern naval ships can attack from such a range as to be below the horizon and thus be completely immune to any direct line of sight weapon like a laser.

Then there's entrusting the world shattering doomsday weapons to, as usual, a bunch of teenagers. ;p

Yeah, anime has a lot of stupid shit in it generally with these kinds of shows but this show made three critical errors:

1) It tried to take its weapon idea and world building too seriously. Going out of its way to technobabble about how its giant metal testicle is the ultimate weapon.

2) The design of the Objects is awful so the show isn't being protected by the Rule of Cool. I mean how much lazier can you get than a giant ball covered in gun barrels?

3) The Objects can easily blow each other away. So the weapons they're packing are able to easily counter other Objects which renders the entire concept of the Object moot. If you have weapons that can destroy an Object than the Object has no usefulness at all as a weapon platform aside from being slow and easy to target. Literally the only supposed point of the testicle onion design is its armour. If its armour doesn't work, then neither does the Object. So episode 1 invalidates its own plot set up.

All that aside, we have two titsick shitheads, the standard pointlessly sexy authority character and yet another blond Hime-sama.

Not really enthused about this one. -.-







Indeed. The fact that it tried to build it up so much as being an actually serious thing is also what undermines it. I'm used to the usual "what ifs" from anime. But there's gotta be some limits. This is basically positing that anyone with half a strategic mind has been locked away for crimes against the state (Saying those weapons are terrible and a waste of resources)

Even in the first opening scene. They didn't even need to engage it. Just ignore it and attack everything else that little island nation have and punish them for pouring all of their resources into a super weapon and then sending it away from their country.

And that's really the biggest issue with those things from my perspective. EVEN if we buy into the fact that the platform makes sense and the weapons and armour are good and that the only counter is another Heavy object because their weapons require massive power generators which can't be used on smaller vehicles (but which could still be used for static defences i'd surmise). There is still that little issue of it's strategic use. Those things can't be everywhere. They can't defend everything. And they have large logistical tails. I mean we saw how much the baby magnum required.

Yet apparently it never figured into ANYONE's head to just attack the bases while the heavy objects are gone.. Or you know. Again. Just ignore it and strike for everything else. And that is assuming again. that the concept holds up. Which the anime immediately invalidates. Of course there could be some point to it down the line.. Buut. yeah.

I dunno. I'll probably keep watching this. but it's not going to be high on the list. And if i want something with big machines and war in it. Gundam iron blooded orphans so far looks infinitely better so far :p
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Its not great but not awful, definitely makes me want to go back and re-read the manga though (to see where the story can go). Kinda makes me think of Chu Feng B.E.E./School Shock (which is why I read the manga in the first place). Could've done without the fan service scene but at least its overlooked (nowadays gotta have some form of it to even try to succeed so can't really it against the series)

Froleytia is a boss and if stays how she is may earn a spot next to Olivier Armstrong (FMA:B) on the female characters I high respect for.

JC Staff earned my respect with what they did with Shokugeki no Soma/Food Wars and Witchcraft Works (among other series), so I don't have worries about not being interested as the series progresses.
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runec wrote:

Yep. The design of an Object goes against every trend and convention of modern military technology and technology in general. There's a reason no one uses battleships anymore. The world wouldn't just gave up in the face of a giant testicle that looks like it was ripped off from some 5 year old's idea of the ultimate super tank. Let alone give up because gasp! It barely survived a nuclear strike. The US alone could drop a nuke on an Object every hour on the hour for approximately 196 days straight before it actually ran out of its immediate supply. Then just tag out to Britain.


That was my thought too... One nuke half melted it? Fine - pattern strike it with 3 or 4 nukes. And MRV (not MIRV, which is a different thing) technology is old hat... dating back the 60's. LockMart or Boeing should be able to whip one out in a few months given a money-is-no-object waste-anything-but-time development campaign.
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ImperialDane wrote:
And well. I don't think you should expect anything bigger in terms of military strategy or tactics. Whoever wrote this so far seems to have no idea how that works :p IE some big machines somehow render all warfare pointless except for the machines themselves. Pretty sure every strategist through time is rolling in their graves over that one.


Yep. The design of an Object goes against every trend and convention of modern military technology and technology in general. There's a reason no one uses battleships anymore. The world wouldn't just gave up in the face of a giant testicle that looks like it was ripped off from some 5 year old's idea of the ultimate super tank. Let alone give up because gasp! It barely survived a nuclear strike. The US alone could drop a nuke on an Object every hour on the hour for approximately 196 days straight before it actually ran out of its immediate supply. Then just tag out to Britain.

Nevermind that its a slow moving giant target that is relying on direct line of sight weaponry. Speaking of which, I'm getting pretty sick of seeing modern fighter craft in anime swooping on things like WW2 attack planes. Modern fighter craft don't even see each other anymore during an engagement due to the ranges involved. While modern naval ships can attack from such a range as to be below the horizon and thus be completely immune to any direct line of sight weapon like a laser.

Then there's entrusting the world shattering doomsday weapons to, as usual, a bunch of teenagers. ;p

Yeah, anime has a lot of stupid shit in it generally with these kinds of shows but this show made three critical errors:

1) It tried to take its weapon idea and world building too seriously. Going out of its way to technobabble about how its giant metal testicle is the ultimate weapon.

2) The design of the Objects is awful so the show isn't being protected by the Rule of Cool. I mean how much lazier can you get than a giant ball covered in gun barrels?

3) The Objects can easily blow each other away. So the weapons they're packing are able to easily counter other Objects which renders the entire concept of the Object moot. If you have weapons that can destroy an Object than the Object has no usefulness at all as a weapon platform aside from being slow and easy to target. Literally the only supposed point of the testicle onion design is its armour. If its armour doesn't work, then neither does the Object. So episode 1 invalidates its own plot set up.

All that aside, we have two titsick shitheads, the standard pointlessly sexy authority character and yet another blond Hime-sama.

Not really enthused about this one. -.-






Yes. I'm not generally in favor of most of what this show has to offer from a technical and character stand point. I don't like lolis as sex objects. They look like kids and it took half strangling her to push up enough boob to get the MC interested. (That whole scene was so stupid. I'm mostly disappointed in how much time he spent thinking about boobs. To the point where the girl felt he wasn't going to help and had to eject.) Also, don't give the best weapons in the world to the previously mentioned child. I was trying to take the guys seriously in the beginning when they were speaking about their role in the military, and I guess world, now that things were different. Seemed like it had the possibility of going some place profound. That was scrapped within five min. The boss is cute and I don't care about a bit of fan service when it eventually comes because she's 18. (Although still too young to be in her position for my tastes.) But trying way too hard to make her seem in charge. My biggest gripe with this one is what they spent so much time trying to explain; the Heavy Object. It makes no sense, as others have pointed out. I suppose the benefit is these "clean wars". But I'm not sure if that means every country/region has very few so you don't have to worry about the fighting ongoing for long periods. But the ultimate machine wouldn't have a pilot and wouldn't give up so much maneuverability. Also, if one nuke melted it...drop more. But, that will have a dramatic effect on the land around you. Nukes are a "last resort, please don't make me push this button" type of weapon. If it gets to the point that a country has this type of threat and several nukes need to be dropped on it, that country is going up with it. Ending the desire for Heavy Objects. Now looking at this world that they've created obviously the payload of each Object is equal to or greater than a nuke, so they can win against other Objects. Which means the world should be dead already. Just saying.
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Pretty much. Plus it seems like everyone still maintains their military forces despite the Heavy Objects. So what was the point of that plot dump? Nevermind that the "clean war" thing seems to be entirely a gentlemen's agreement and has no official treaties, etc solidifying it. So of course the first thing that will happen is we'll run into the "Evil" Heavy Object that doesn't abide by the unofficial rules.

Then everyone can just leisurely jog out of the area and into terrain the Heavy Object isn't specialized to cope with. =p

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First episode was boring as heck.

I only enjoyed the little fanservice it had.
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First episode was boring as heck.

I only enjoyed the little fanservice it had.


basically this.
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ep 1

+1 for Kuudere.


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Well, it's pretty clear the mecha aren't going to be the only heavy objects featured.


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Well, I dunno. I didn't dislike it, but there is one irritating thought that keeps popping into my head. Why do the Objects even need operators? They already showed that the objects can be remotely (and possibly even autonomously) operated. I guess plot. Would rather see something more militarily oriented (strategies, large scale combat, etc), so too soon to tell.


They could be remotely controlled ? The only bit i recall was that the commanding officer also had control over units far away (however that makes sense)

And well. I don't think you should expect anything bigger in terms of military strategy or tactics. Whoever wrote this so far seems to have no idea how that works :p IE some big machines somehow render all warfare pointless except for the machines themselves. Pretty sure every strategist through time is rolling in their graves over that one.


The Writer wrote A Certain Magical Index: Endyumion's Miracle ( That was a huge project! ) Has plenty of action / sc-fi / and yes magical ideas !

Not to spoil but Index has WW 3 in the novels ! So to say Kazuma Kamachi has no idea about warfare is not true ! He has a different idea of Warfare but is well versed in his writings !

Again not to spoil but I read the manga / 1 EP doesnt tell all!


Manga

A Certain Scientific Railgun - author (2007-present, 10 volumes)
A Certain Magical Index - author (2007-present, 14 volumes)
Heavy Object - author (2009-2011, 1 volume)
Heavy Object S - author (2011-2013, 3 volumes)
A Certain Magical Index: Endyumion's Miracle - author (2013, 2 volumes)
A Certain Scientific Accelerator - author (2013-present, 1 volume)

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A Certain Magical Index: Endyumion's Miracle - story writer (2013)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazuma_Kamachi


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For a first episode, it did a very terrible job at trying to keep me entertained. Everything dragged on longer than it should have. I'm gonna give it the 3 episode trial. If it doesn't pick up after 2 more episodes, its getting dropped harder than a sack of rocks off a bridge. Hell I almost stopped watching after the belt scene. Also the Ninja Turtles called, they want the Technodrome back.
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A look at the cast and the Author gives me hope for later episodes ! I remember Castletown Dandelion getting grief for some fanservice but a lot of people ended up really liking it ! Same thing about Re-Kan started slow but ended up as my Top Spring Anime ! It's going to be 24 EPS(split cour ?? ) But anyway


Heavy Object EP 1 / "The Little Soldiers Who Tie Down Gulliver / The Snowy Deep Winter Battle of Alaska " (PART 1)

The animation was outstanding and the intro gave us a good insight about Objectts ! A bit aloof but gave the 4 characters a nice look at their personalties ! BTW After checking out The VA's the casting was well done !

From Kazuma Kamachi / Author

A Certain Scientific Railgun - author (2007-present, 10 volumes)
A Certain Magical Index - author (2007-present, 14 volumes)
Heavy Object - author (2009-2011, 1 volume)
Heavy Object S - author (2011-2013, 3 volumes)
A Certain Magical Index: Endyumion's Miracle - author (2013, 2 volumes)
A Certain Scientific Accelerator - author (2013-present, 1 volume)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazuma_Kamachi

Qwenthur Barbotage / VA Natsuki Hanaeas the aloof student ! Lots of good lead roles

Very busy 2015

Absolute Duo as Tora (Lead Role)
Tokyo Ghoul √A as Ken Kaneki (Lead Role)
Aldnoah.Zero Part 2 as Inaho Kaizuka (Lead Role)
Jitsu wa Watashi wa as Asahi Kuromine (Lead Role)
Heavy Object as Quenser Barbotage (Lead Role)
Food Wars: Shokugeki no Soma as Takumi Aldini (Strong Supporting Roles)
The Heroic Legend of Arslan as Elam (Strong Supporting Roles)
Gangsta. as Nicolas Brown (young) (Strong Supporting Roles)
Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans as Biscuit Griffon(Strong Supporting Roles)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natsuki_Hanae

Havia Winchell / VA Kaito Ishikawa The Well off solider Lots of good lead roles

Kyokai no Rinne as Rinne Rokudou (Lead Role)
Gangsta. as Cody Balfour
Heavy Object as Heivia Winchell
One-Punch Man as Genos (2nd Lead Role)
Haikyu!! 2 as Tobio Kageyama (Lead Role)
Concrete Revolutio as Jiro Hitoyoshi (Lead Role)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaito_Ishikawa

Milinda Brantini / Eri Suzuki ( A relative newcomer ) Pilot of "Baby"

Has A role in the Upcoming Sci-Fi Domension W as Elizabeth Greenhow Smith

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eri_Suzuki

Frolaytia Capistran / VA Shizuka Ito Base CMDR Nice resume / Great Lead Roles for this! Great casting for this role

Starship Operators (Sinon Kouzuki)(Lead Role as Captian) Very underated anime
El Cazador de la Bruja (Nadie) ( Lead Role as the Bounty Hunter ) Team her up with Revy
Hayate the Combat Butler (Hinagiku Katsura)( The fan popular SC PREZ)
Sky Girls ( Lt Eika Ichijo)
Blassreiter (Amanda Werner) (Lead Role)
Working'!! (Kozue Takanashi) ( Sota's fitness sister )
Jormungand / Jormungand: Perfect Order (Koko Hekmatyar) ( Lead Role as the Arms Dealer CMDR)
Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet (Bellows) The no nonsense salvage leader ****
Psycho-Pass (Yayoi Kunizuka) The female enforcer Unit 1
D-Frag! (Takao) I like the connection on this one ! ****
Assassination Classroom (Irina Jelavic) The over the top sassy hitwoman ****
Heavy Object (Major Floretia Capistrano) ****

****BTW The Phiysques are similiar **** If you watched the animes you'll get it !!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shizuka_It%C5%8D
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