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Okay, I watched the video and here's the deal.

The people who are being told to take down the US flag aren't necessarily being told it was because it offended someone. They are being told to take the flags down because they are violating Home Owner Association, Renting, or Leasing contract which they have signed. I don't think any of the rules specifically stated the US flag either. Some places do force you to join an HOA though if you live there. Those who reported the people with their flags are probably just complainers or they were offended by something else.

Fox news is using this for sensationalism without paying attention to the fact most of these people violated rules they should have known about before moving in.

In the matter of people being offended, that is a simply answer. The US is a coddling society and with the "fear campaign" the US government and news agencies are running, people are simply too worried about offending someone.
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Posted 10/9/14

AliceLilit_ wrote:

Okay, I watched the video and here's the deal.

The people who are being told to take down the US flag aren't necessarily being told it was because it offended someone. They are being told to take the flags down because they are violating Home Owner Association, Renting, or Leasing contract which they have signed. I don't think any of the rules specifically stated the US flag either. Some places do force you to join an HOA though if you live there. Those who reported the people with their flags are probably just complainers or they were offended by something else.

Fox news is using this for sensationalism without paying attention to the fact most of these people violated rules they should have known about before moving in.

In the matter of people being offended, that is a simply answer. The US is a coddling society and with the "fear campaign" the US government and news agencies are running, people are simply too worried about offending someone.



Thanks for the information and I agree with you on your last statement.
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I saw a story where a kid was sent home for a change of shirts because he was wearing a US flag t-shirt on Cinco de Mayo and they didn't want to offend anyone.

So I wouldn't be surprised if people were told not to fly the US flag because it offends someone. Things like that happen all the time. The Pledge of Allegiance isn't said in schools, admittedly because of 'under God' usually, but I feel that even if that was taken out, people would still find it offensive to say. People take way too much offense to things these days, and people are always bending over backward to accommodate people who take offense. It makes sense when it pertains to racism and freedom of religion, though people are taking it too far when it becomes offensive to fly a US flag, in the US.

And while it would make sense if the flag code was violated, the only instances of offense I've ever seen with that is when the flag is burned in a non-flag burning ceremony.
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The above is partly true, about the shirts - http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/flagshirts.asp

"The panel held given the history of prior events at the school, including an altercation on campus, it was reasonable for school officials to proceed as though the threat of a potentially violent disturbance was real." is kind of important context, however. It wasn't about not offending people.
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An altercation means someone was offended over the situation. Instead of just banning things (coming to mind is the incident where a boy was banned from bringing his MLP backback to school because he was being bullied), they should punish harsher and make sure people know it's not allowed rather than banning it period, all that does is prevent the altercation but doesn't teach that it's wrong. Instead it's teaching that it's wrong to wear a US flag shirt on a holiday. And Cinco De Mayo is not a popular Mexican holiday despite popular belief, I believe it's an American creation since it's not celebrated widely in Mexico.
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Posted 10/9/14 , edited 10/9/14

Ouzoathena11 wrote:

An altercation means someone was offended over the situation. Instead of just banning things (coming to mind is the incident where a boy was banned from bringing his MLP backback to school because he was being bullied), they should punish harsher and make sure people know it's not allowed rather than banning it period, all that does is prevent the altercation but doesn't teach that it's wrong. Instead it's teaching that it's wrong to wear a US flag shirt on a holiday. And Cinco De Mayo is not a popular Mexican holiday despite popular belief, I believe it's an American creation.


Cinco de Mayo is not a US creation. It celebrates the Mexican army's victory over French forces at the Battle of Puebla, and as the name of the battle implies, Cinco de Mayo is largely celebrated in Puebla, Mexico.

In the US the holiday is more widely celebrated by Mexican-Americans as it has become a symbol of Mexican pride.

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If I flew a flag and someone complained, I'd burn it.
It's just a cloth no different to my book mark, the rest is your imagination.
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I can understand the getting offended by the violation of the Flag Code, one of my pet peeves is people flying the Flag at night and/or in the rain without the Flag being lighted. The U.S. Flag and others national flags are highly emotional object for a lot of people, I know it is for me. The flag it's self is just a piece of cloth but what it represents is what makes it's a such a emotional symbol. Me personally a group like a HOA would play hell making me to stop flying the U.S. Flag.
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You shouldn't have to. We have the first amendment here: Freedom of Speech. They can go ahead and cry me a river, I don't care.
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Posted 10/11/14 , edited 10/11/14

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You shouldn't have to. We have the first amendment here: Freedom of Speech. They can go ahead and cry me a river, I don't care.


The rights in the Bill of Rights and Constitution are not absolute rights. You can give them up voluntarily if you so choose. It is simply that the government cannot force you to give them up. Unless convicted of certain crimes.

When you buy a home with a private Home Owners Association, you are signing a contract between private parties to abide by their rules, not your own. You in fact give up your right to paint your house Ochre for example, unless your HOA agreement allows for that. At least as far as external changes go. The law does get iffier on internal changes. Often HOA agreements also forbid certain internal changes to the house, but privacy laws do often trump that. It does depend on the state involved. But external changes are almost always upheld in favor of the HOA because the person buying the house and property is knowingly entering into a contract with another private party.

This is why Confidentiality Agreements between employer and employee are legal, you give up your right to say what you want in exchange for employment. Or a legal settlement. There are some protections in the case of whistle blowing, but those are pretty limited and straightforward.

If you want to express your individuality, the answer is generally simple. Buy a house in on a property that does not belong to a HOA.

Like all things there are positives and negatives. Certainly you can individualize your house as much as you want. Now your neighbors can take you to court if you end up lowering their home values in the process, but that is an uphill battle generally. Again results will vary from state to state. But in general you can do as you please. The downside? You forgo the security that many HOA's have as many are gated communities, and others use part of their fees to hire private security. Sure you can argue that you and your gun are all the security you need but that does not help much if you are not home when someone burglaries your place, or if they simply have more firepower than you do. You are also as at risk if your neighbors decide to do something funky on their property that lowers your property values as well.

But the bottom line is that all of our rights have limits and exceptions. There are no absolute rights. You can even forego the right to life if you are convicted of certain crimes by a jury of your peers.

And so if you buy a property in an HOA, be prepared to live a Leave It To Beaver life because they have every right, and arguably the responsibility, to enforce the contract that you signed.
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Posted 10/11/14
Well moral of the story is if you don't want to be under HOA avoid them like the plague. Never lived in one, never will.
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Posted 10/11/14
When you examine why someone is offended, you should pay attention to whether their concept of offensiveness is REASONABLE. Imagine you going into an auditorium full of 1000 people and presenting the facts. If only like.....10 people vote that it is offensive, it is probably not reasonable. Beside, you are allowed to do as you like to your property as long as you're not ruining the image of your neighborhood or creating potential dangers for the people who might happen by.
Posted 10/19/14
why couldn't they go directly to her? or have they and had she then refused? this is one of those questions you don't pause to think about.. it would still tick me off being told what to do after finding out that the reasoning was all bull...personally. lol
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Posted 10/20/14
I wonder how the Natives feel about the American Flag.

I personally have a problem with the imperial Japanese flag. Of course, all these people wearing t-shits with the rising sun on it have no idea what it means. Still, don't be that tourist.
Posted 10/20/14
Fun fact of the day: Here in Louisiana, it's legal to burn the American flag, but not the Confederate flag.
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