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Post Reply Have you ever heard of peak oil?
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I think modern industrialized civilization is doomed because of peak oil. What is peak oil you might ask? Peak oil is basically when you reach your maximum oil (petroleum) production. At peak oil, you can't produce anymore oil than you are already producing.

Why does peak oil matter? It is because we recently reached it. We can't produce anymore oil than we are currently producing. After you reach peak oil, your oil production will decrease, because oil is a finite resource. Once you use up our oil, it is essentially gone forever because oil is a nonrenewable resource. We only have a few more decades of oil left in the ground.

This is why peak oil REALLY matters. Our modern day civilization is totally and utterly reliant on oil. Simply without oil, our modern civilization will collapse. Even our food production is totally and utterly reliant on oil. Without oil, we can't even produce enough food to feed our current population. Without oil, we will have billions of people starve to death. Yes, according to my research, we can't even feed our present population without oil. That's why peak oil is so important. When we run out of oil, our global population will most likely decrease because we can't feed our present (or future) population without oil.

Our economy is also totally and utterly reliant on oil. When you take oil out of the equation, our economy will also totally collapse. I expect an economic depression as bad, if not worse, than the Great Depression, once we run out of oil. The upcoming depression resulting from the absence of oil will be much worse than the Great Depression because this depression is caused by nature rather than being a speculative bubble. Like I mentioned before, we have already reached peak oil. Expect our oil production to soon decline after reaching the peak of oil production. And our economy and food production will decline once our oil production starts to decline. Expect food prices to increase and unemployment to increase. There is NO WAY our economy will get better once our oil production decreases after peak oil.

We will not instantly run out of oil. Instead, the price of oil will gradually increase as the supply decreases. The price of oil will eventually become so expensive that we can't afford it anymore. And once oil becomes too expensive for anyone to afford it, modern industrialized civilization will completely collapse...food production will halt, and massive famine and starvation will ensure.

Don't expect alternative energies to oil to save the day because alternative energies to oil are very highly underdeveloped at the current moment. Also, alternative energies to oil (i.e. wind, solar, hydroelectricity, biofuels, and geothermal) are not going to be enough to compensate for the void left by the absence of fossil fuels (i.e. oil, coal and natural gas). There is NO alternative energy that can make up for the energy void left by the absence of fossil fuels, so when we run out of fossil fuels, we are truly screwed.

Expect a complete collapse of human civilization within the next couple of decades as our oil supply decreases. Like I already said, we will probably completely exhaust our oil supply within the next couple of decades at the current rate of consumption, and once we exhaust our oil supplies, we are completely screwed. Expect overpopulation to completely reverse, as our current human population plummets as our oil supply is completely exhausted. Food production will go down as our oil supply decreases, until there is massive famine and starvation across our globe once we run out of oil.

Expect modern civilization to collapse once we run out of oil. Don't expect humanity to reach the stars one day because we destroyed our one and only planet before we could leave it. Humanity is pathetic. All we do is overpopulate this planet and exhaust its limited natural resources, which results in our eventual demise. If only humanity was wiser and didn't overpopulate this planet and exhaust its natural resources, I would actually have hope for humanity. But I have no hope for humanity, as humanity is nothing more than a pathetic cancer to this planet. We are killing this planet through overpopulation, and we will be purged off this planet once we run out of natural resources.
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ya'll are to obsessed with the world ending/civilisation collapsing ideology. this world is not going into chaos... just relax. if solar power and biofuel are not viable options, there's always nuclear power. whether people want it or not, they have no choice if they want to continue to live like pre-peak oil.

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the only things I can see throwing this civilisation into chaos is climate change/enhanced global warming, supervirus or nuclear war.
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Algae based biofuel. Problem solved. The worse the place is for humans, better for saving the world
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While the eventual decline in accessible oil resources is a concern, I am not convinced that we have even reached peak oil yet. New deposits are still being found (please note the current situation in North Dakota), while new extraction technologies are still being developed. I will agree, however, that modern industrialized society is too dependent upon oil, and should transfer more of its power production to other means--but I also believe that we still have time to further develop alternate energy sources so that the transition will be easier.
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Yeah, people are just going to keep using oil until we have none.

That sounds likely.
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With the exception of sunlight--from a practical standpoint--no resource is truly inexhaustible. Oil, aluminum, iron... all of it will run out eventually.
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um idk but price of gas has gone down.
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So, is anyone trying to fix this potential problem?
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deadpanditto wrote:

With the exception of sunlight--from a practical standpoint--no resource is truly inexhaustible. Oil, aluminum, iron... all of it will run out eventually.


You can recycle alluminiun and iron pretty much indeffinitely. Oil, not so much.

Oil is alredy a lot more expensive than it used to be, so yeah it's a given peak oil will happen. The flip side of that is that it makes other sources of energy more attractive as fossil fuel prices go up, both in research investments and applications.

Wich is probably a very good thing in the long run, fossil fuel are VERY bad for humans as a species. We're basically digging up millions of years of trapped carbon to throw it back in the atmosphere.

Posted 10/11/14 , edited 12/11/15

Aurasphinxiar wrote:

So, is anyone trying to fix this potential problem?


-Insert ebola joke here-
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Price of Oil is dropping and considering the global conflicts in Ukraine, North Africa, AND the Middle East; this is something unprecedented.

Also to the OP, your argument of "Peak Oil" is nothing new, it has been introduced in the political discussion many times before. The problem with this argument is WE NEVER REACH IT. This is because of a major flaw in the argument, which is the fact that we develop better technology everyday that reduces our reliance on oil.

IMO I feel that its a scheme the oil companies throw out there to try to increase the cost of oil because they WANT US to believe that there MIGHT BE a shortage. The fact is the USA is on track to become the largest oil producer (Hello more oil Spills ) and its speculated that OPEC's summit in November will conclude with them reducing their oil drilling to increase the price of their major resource(oil).

This all means that there is an OVER SUPPLY of oil which should not surprise us because all these phony economic numbers, indicating that the world is not in a depression, are finally catching up to the reality. Economic growth is stagnant and productivity is decreasing, which is why there is much less demand for oil now.

That said, I am a full supporter of switching our sources of energy away from ancient technology (oil and coal), and is something completely possible if our government weren't in bed with the oil companies.

Again this speculation and my opinion so I could be wrong but....
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Well, this is one of the main reasons that Scotland voted no to independence. Oil isn't a reliable source any more - even if we do find it under the Clyde. To be honest, we just need to reduce our reliance on oil. That is hard but I'm damn sure that my country is trying it's hardest to get alternatives. If only the English and American billionaires would stop complaining about wind turbines - then we could actually think of a proper solution.

Also we do have an alternative to fossil fuels - it's called nuclear power. It produces a lot. It's just a bit more dangerous.
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Another alternative is to reduce the population to the amount that can survive on renewable resources.
Last I heard, we could support between 1-2 billion humans with a decent standard of living on renewables.
We can do it ourselves now or we'll do it ourselves later fighting over the last dregs.

And actually, yes, if 6 billion people jumped off a cliff, I'd jump too.
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AmazingStef wrote:


deadpanditto wrote:

With the exception of sunlight--from a practical standpoint--no resource is truly inexhaustible. Oil, aluminum, iron... all of it will run out eventually.


You can recycle alluminiun and iron pretty much indeffinitely. Oil, not so much.



Recycle yes, but there is a finite amount of anything that can be pulled from the ground. That ultimately limits the number of things we can build from such resources. Now, while aluminum and iron are abundant, other elements are not. And we use a lot of different elements, like lanthanum, in the creation of electronics and other products. We are fortunate that we are still discovering rare-earth mineral deposits, since recycling for such elements is difficult, dangerous, and spotty at best.
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deadpandittoRecycle yes, but there is a finite amount of anything that can be pulled from the ground. That ultimately limits the number of things we can build from such resources. Now, while aluminum and iron are abundant, other elements are not. And we use a lot of different elements, like lanthanum, in the creation of electronics and other products. We are fortunate that we are still discovering rare-earth mineral deposits, since recycling for such elements is difficult, dangerous, and spotty at best.


You're not wrong, although I believe it's a less immediate concern. If you've pulled enough materials for, say, three billions people to have electrocic doodads you'll still have enough materials to provide three billion people with electronic doodads one generation down the line. Assuming 100% recycling efficiency of course, I know it's not realistic but work with me there!

If you have enough oil to move around three billion people it doesn't mean you'll still have enough oil to move around three billion people fifty years later.

That said, you do raise a good point: it's not just oil that's on a timer. Overfishing and deforestation are also horrific problems.
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