Crunchyroll reviewing believe bias is okay???????
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http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2014/10/11-1/feature-ar-nosurge-ode-to-an-unborn-star-review

CR recently put up a review of one of the newest JRPG on the block - Ar Nosruge. Now, the review itself is worth noting, but the main focus here is in the comments.

Scroll down to a poster named Anonymoo - who I assume is a CR rep. I don't knw his positioning here, or anyones, as I generally just use this site for information. But I recently found out the information regarding reviews is corrupted. Let me explain.

For the record, I actually really want our reviewers to be biased, to let THEIR voice and THEIR opinions shine through. I trust Shane's opinions and understanding of game mechanics and design (he's a fighting game player, after all), and as the reviews team grows, we'll have a broader variety of game preferences and experiences for you guys to look at when new games come out.

Biased reviews serve one purpose - to sell. They have no other purpose. Only when you put several biased reviews together to get an unbiased review can you really start to understand the game.


hardly worth any of your time… much less your money.


Now, Anonymoo claims to trust Shane because he's a gamer, even though he just called him out for being a fighter gamer mostly, which is fine, as most fighting games are japanese in origin - so he's obviously some sort of JRPG fan, right?

You wouldn't know reading the review - and if you go through the review then did some google research *did the reviewer even bother?...* you'd see the flaw in his approach to the game. Trying to view this game as the same kind of RPG Final Fantasy is is going to make this game seem both slow and boring - because it's not a typical RPG - it's more of a visual novel. You'll see commentors pointing this out for the reviewer. It's something even I didn't know, and it made me enjoy the game even more.

And even though the reviewer is mislead by his own misconception - his review is still put in front of the largest online anime community on the net to see. That's just plain lazy, CR. And why would you even put a Fighter Player to review a Text heavy game? Of course he'll say don't buy it - and people WILL listen. This line from Anon infuriated me a bit:

In the end, you guys are gonna buy what you want because you love it. Reviews--and the voices behind them--can help people who aren't as familiar with something (eventually) decide which way they're going with a product, especially if they know that a real person (and not a bland, neutral, unbiased voice) was playing it.

Simply put, "Who cares?" ...

You're wrong, Anon. People do buy depending on reviews, it's ignorance and appalling that you'd ignore the position of power you're in and ignore the impact this site has. Typically - who are you going to trust reviewing a JRPG - IGN, or Crunchyroll?

So when Crunchyroll smashes a game with a biased review - what do you think happens?

Anyways, enough ranting. I just wanted to get this out there.
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Posted 10/11/14
"unbiased review"

what

I don't want to read some "it was okay but not really but kind of sometimes decent yeah" reviews that never really give an opinion. That's not a review, that's a walk-through; a commercial. I want to know what people thought of the game. Their choice of media outlet for that review shouldn't affect its content.

That guy, obviously, really disliked the game, and he told people so. He's blunt, which is fine.
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Biased reviews aren't going to give you the opinion you seek because it's trying to form the opinion for you. Biased reviews try to convince you they're right. That's not an acceptable method of review. And for a major site like this one it shouldn't be just glossed over that it's happening.

Ar Nosruge - CR just said to not buy it... but is that crunchy rolls opinion, or a biased reviewer? So now I know that fighter players don't like this game - what does that honestly tell me?

.... nothing I didn't already know going into JRPG games....

Biased reviews are both pointless and harmful without more then one opinion on the same level to give more sides to the story. Where as unbiased we can trust they looked at what matters in gaming and compared it to similar games of the genre to better tell people what they're getting into.

That's nothing like a walkthrough.
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That review didn't try to say it was right. It gave it's opinion in a harsh manner, which is, again, fine.

"What matters in gaming"? We can't have subjectivity here, remember? We're attempting to be unbiased.

Not every review is catered to you. Not every review is catered to people who play fighting games.

Get over it.

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Firstly, a review is first hand experience of something you understand and at it's core are trying to explain to others.

Opinions are not. They can be firsthand experience, but they also don't have to be. They can be full of crap and subjective information that may or may not have any real bearing on a 'review'

That is another reason biased reviews generally don't work, because they lose there form of review and drivel into opinionated non-sense. Always keep to the facts, do some research, keep opinions to a minimal and facts on point.

But there's another issue - this an anime site, reviewing anime games. It doesn't generally review games outside the RPG genre or heavily japanese produced games, which have certain tendencies. Tendacies western gamers won't enjoy, and if you let one review an eastern game, he's going to crap on it and call it a review rather then an opinion.
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Take the link for example - the flesh of the game is the story - what do you know of it from the 'review?'

nothing, he was too busy crapping on it. He doesn't explain the games story comes in arks - that the plot thickens and gets drama heavy with both emotional and scenes that'll make you laugh. That there's several main characters, that there's cool new additions fans from the pervious games will love. I doubt he did any research on the game what so ever.

We got his opinion the game sucked and that was all, and crunchyrol finds this an acceptable form of review.
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"Stick to the facts" when reviewing an art form.

Don't do that.
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You remind me of EvE players. I play Dust myself, so i'm getting some crazy vibes from you, lol.

and maybe saying sticking to the facts was a bit much - but opinions generally takes facts and skew them. Yet again, another reason unbiased reviews are preferred. They have no reason to skew anything.
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Haha, seven years of something and it grows on you. Dust was fun for a bit. Waiting for Valkyrie.

OT:

Mhm. I get what you're saying. I guess we just view the medium differently.
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I will admit, sometimes I think reviews are skewed myyself. Particularly Game Informer and IGN often come across as shills for their corporate advertising sponsors. That being said, I think game reviewing is a highly subjective art. I am sure some of the reviewers who praised Final Fantasy 13 actually liked the game. Ah, but as for more current issues. I honestly didn't read the review. I'm still in the middle of the game, and I fear for spoilers. But I am getting the impression that you are upset that the reviewer does not like the game as much as you do? I dunno, personally, I couldn't blame someone for not liking this game. I actually have been enjoying it quite a bit, but it has some very glaring flaws. Firstly, the balancing: the game is just plain tediously boring on "normal" difficulty. I enjoyed it much more when I bumped it up to "hard", but this results in drastic difficulty spikes. Second, the crafting system: seriously, I shouldn't have to dread crafting because I have to sit through a two hour monologue explaining just how absurd every single item in the game is. It was cute at first, but I'm mostly button mashing through it at this point. Thirdly, the stuttering: I don't know if this applies to the disc version (I have the download version), but every time I approach a character, item, or door, there is a (very brief) pause. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Yeah, I still like the game. I enjoy the story, charcters, art, and the ecchi. But I can also empathize with anyone who dislikes it.
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cleruninja wrote:

I will admit, sometimes I think reviews are skewed myyself. Particularly Game Informer and IGN often come across as shills for their corporate advertising sponsors. That being said, I think game reviewing is a highly subjective art. I am sure some of the reviewers who praised Final Fantasy 13 actually liked the game. Ah, but as for more current issues. I honestly didn't read the review. I'm still in the middle of the game, and I fear for spoilers. But I am getting the impression that you are upset that the reviewer does not like the game as much as you do? I dunno, personally, I couldn't blame someone for not liking this game. I actually have been enjoying it quite a bit, but it has some very glaring flaws. Firstly, the balancing: the game is just plain tediously boring on "normal" difficulty. I enjoyed it much more when I bumped it up to "hard", but this results in drastic difficulty spikes. Second, the crafting system: seriously, I shouldn't have to dread crafting because I have to sit through a two hour monologue explaining just how absurd every single item in the game is. It was cute at first, but I'm mostly button mashing through it at this point. Thirdly, the stuttering: I don't know if this applies to the disc version (I have the download version), but every time I approach a character, item, or door, there is a (very brief) pause. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Yeah, I still like the game. I enjoy the story, charcters, art, and the ecchi. But I can also empathize with anyone who dislikes it.

Not upset with the reviewer at all, more then a commentator saying he wants it to be a practice that reviews should be biased. Even then, rather then upset, I'm concerned. I'm typically a very large loud mouth, so excuse my dramatic manner of speech.

Everyone rated this game a crap score, got over it ages ago, lol. It's obvious Ar Nosruge is for anime fans only, which made the review of this game on a major anime site seem... off.

Perhaps my expectations to see a JRPG reviewed from an anime reviewer being smashed lead to me being a bit more abrasive about the topic then I should of - but it really is a bad practice which I'm more then glad to bring light too for discussion.

If the CR community is fine with this method of review - who am I to say otherwise? But there's no reason we can't discuss it and possibly change there minds on the subject.

Not my goal to change there mind - I just want to discuss the topic more openly then the comment section would of allowed as it gets buried under new news.
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Their reviewers are people. People are never, and I mean never, impartial.
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I think you fall into the trap of not realizing just how video game reviews work. The most important thing is that when you're given review code by your editor, you might not like it. I would not be surprised at all if Shane here didn't know what to expect. As for wanting reviewers to be biased, that sounds like a poor choice of words to me.

It sounds to me that what he was getting at is that he wants writers to convey their opinions whether positive or negative, not to be biased. Seems pretty evident by the last snippet you posted.
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Whenever I read a review, regardless of the ratio between "facts/information" and opinionated input, I take it with a grain of salt as all should.
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