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Should smokers be allowed to make their own decisions?
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Posted 10/19/14
There's no reasoning with them. And I have no choice but to live with a pair of smokers (my mom and stepdad). I can't very well tell them to stop. I tried when I was younger and mom always ignored me when I talked about how bad it was for her. Everyone can make their own decisions even if it's terrible ones.

All I ask of smokers is they don't smoke around me. And not because I don't like seeing it. Cigarette smoke causes me to cough and/or gives me a migraine. But usually I'm too shy to say anything when at a dog park or something. But there are people polite enough to try to judge where the wind is blowing and make sure it won't blow at other people so clearly they can think for themselves so why can't they make their own decisions?

Really, I'm just glad MN has a law that bans smoking in public buildings. Otherwise I'd be dealing with migraines and coughing all the time.
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Posted 10/19/14
I mean yeah, they are people. People should be able to make their own choices.

Cigarette smoking can be banned in public areas but other then that nothing will happen. It's not like the big companies will get rid of the product. If you want to bring finances into this, the government doesn't give two craps if money is tossed out of your wallet and into their pockets from poor decision making. If anything, it makes them happier. You should have realized that when they started taxing products like tobacco and soda, they claimed it would reduce the amount of smoking/obesity issues in the US. But really the sales stayed the same and even more cash flow came in.
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Posted 10/19/14
Gamblers should not be allowed to carry money, they should have an accountant babysit them 24/7 and when ever they want something, they have to ask if they may have it.
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Posted 10/20/14
At the end of the day it's one bad choice, and most people make at least one long term bad choice so... yes they should be allowed to 'think for themselves'
Posted 10/21/14
Any choice made independently is valid. Smoke or not, it doesn't matter.
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Posted 10/21/14

Sir_jamesalot wrote:
So should people that make such poor decisions be allowed to think for themselves?

Shouldn't that apply to candies, soda, alcohol etc. as well? ... Well, now pretty much nobody is allowed to think for themselves. Oops. We're all mindless robots now.
Posted 10/21/14
Smoking kills the smoker=problem solved. As for second-hand smoke, getting away is easier than ever now that most public areas are smoke-free....
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Posted 10/21/14
I think if they get to the point my parents are then no they shouldn't be making their own choices.

Here are my reasons why.
They lost the house, they lived in due to their smoking habit aka all money went to smokes and bills never got paid, etc.

They smoked in the house with an asthmatic (my boyfriend), despite being told by multiple doctors not to smoke in the house, near the door or in a car with anyone with lung problems.

I have health issues due to my mother smoking while pregnant, and continuing to smoke around me despite my asking her not to, this includes my car which is supposed to be a smoke free place.

They disregard rules of my household because they can't smoke on my property.

They disregard anyone who asks them not to smoke around them.

My mother has been told multiple times since 07 when she was hospitalized for severe bronchial pneumonia, that killed all but one immune in her immune system, that she will get sick again of she doesn't stop smoking, and she has 8 times in 7 years, that includes 4 hospital trips.

The list goes on and on. Was it their choice? Yes, but that doesn't give them any right to disregard anyone else's health for their fix. All smokers need to remember. It is their right to put what they want in their body it is the governments allowing them to use tobacco. At any point in time they can ban it.
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Posted 10/21/14 , edited 10/21/14
So... I was going to post a coherent, well thought out reply, but on seeing the OP's responses I've come to the conclusion that any attempt to point out his stupidity would go to waste. So, as an alternative I'll just say, sure, let's take everyone's freedom away. Let's make the world one big dictatorship where personal choice becomes a thing of the past. Fuck individualtiy, and fuck people choosing to live however the fuck they want to live! God... I just can't stand people who have individual thoughts and think they're allowed to do what they want within the limits of the law. They're just the fucking worst kind of scum...
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Posted 10/21/14
Smoking has nothing to do with having the right to decide things or whatever. What if someone started smoking at a young age out of peer-pressure and stupidity but cannot give it up? Does that makes this person unworthy of having the same rights as everyone else?

I understand that smoking is harmful to others, but that problem can be solved by having smokers smoke elsewhere - away from the general public.
Smoking doesn't change a person. A person cannot be bad for smoking. They are not stupid because they inhale tar, ffs.
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Posted 10/21/14
Also the argument about losing their house because of smoking is ridiculous. It could've been about an obsession with Pringles. The matter is, it's not smoking that's the problem - it's the type of person who is smoking in the first place. Not every smoker is losing their house because they spend so much money on the habit. Having strong will has a lot to do with it. Of course if it is a case involving giving up smoking or loasing something incredibly important in life, most would just make a sacrifice and give up smoking. I dunno, it's really not that deep. Why isn't this question being asked for such things like fast food? It's practically the same thing.[/green
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Posted 10/21/14

SereneFlight wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:
So should people that make such poor decisions be allowed to think for themselves?

Shouldn't that apply to candies, soda, alcohol etc. as well? ...


I don't see why not.
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Posted 10/24/14 , edited 10/24/14

ellohthere wrote:

I understand that smoking is harmful to others, but that problem can be solved by having smokers smoke elsewhere - away from the general public.


That's still my viewpoint as well. This is actually a conversation I've been able to take outside of the internet and get some good discussion out of.

Still, I'm hung up on not smoking being a true decision. Avoiding smoke requires decisions, but not smoking isn't inherently a decision like smoking is.

I started smoking at 25. This sounds crazy to everybody, including myself, because it makes me a serious outlier. Part of it was I wanted to spend time with some friends and I was sick of taking second hand smoke breaks and sucking butts. Part of it was because I'd never actually made the decision to not smoke, I just had never decided to start. Now, of course, I have to make the decision to not smoke. But not smoking up until that point, even though I knew the harms of smoking, wasn't really an active decision of mine.

So I'd like to see policy take a shift towards providing a few places where it is ok to smoke and continuing to allow smoking on private property, and seeing the rest of the world as an inappropriate place to blow smoke, rather than slowly picking places where we can't smoke as we stumble along and argue. I think we could best accommodate everyone this way.

But avoiding smoke, as a decision, means you have to take some extra steps in your personal life to protect yourself. Like being viscerally offended by foul language, that's why we rate movies and tv on "appropriateness," it helps the people protect themselves from what they can't tolerate.

And to the people who have had bad personal experiences of being forced to live in smoking households when they are against it, I am moved by your plight. I know how frustrating it is to have somebody screwing up so bad all the time because of an addiction that they won't face. I've had housemates that have screwed me over financially via alcoholism, and you just can't convince them that drinking is not the way to go. When you drink so much that you can't pay rent and start drinking all MY beer, woof, that seems like a problem. Still, I would never want to make their decisions for them. And honestly, it's just beer, you have to be causing much broader problems for me to say "no you can't have one." Which I've had to do with one guy, but not with hardly anyone else. And it is a bad feeling. So it's all a difficult mixed up question, it's better to separate the feelings from the broader scope of reality if we want to posit effectively.
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Posted 10/24/14
Everybody should be able to make decisions for themselves, whether its smart or not.
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Posted 10/26/14 , edited 10/26/14
It's your prerogative if you chose to smoke just don't expect me to put up with it in my home or being enclosed in public places. It's kind of selfish to expect everyone to put up with your smoke fumes. I don't like ended up with smokey hair and clothes plus there's the health issue with mild asthma and smoke inducing migraine headaches with me. Why should I suffer for someone's pleasure and addiction? Before they had a ban on public smoking in enclosed places, I had curtail most social events when I started to feel sick due to smoke fumes. Then there was commuting on public transport in smog. It's not like I could have walked around with a mask and a cylinder of oxygen when I was out neither could I stay home all the time to avoid smoke. I can't stop breathing or I'll die. I've had friends who are smokers and they were considerate. They didn't smoke in my home and even avoided doing it whilst I visited them. Big sis has never smoked in my home. My nephew's dad would only smoke outdoors when he had children. Then there's the idiot of a date who I'd told not to smoke in my home and he said I could just wash my furniture to get the smoke out , dumped that one.
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