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Was Nagato right?
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Posted 10/20/14 , edited 10/20/14
Nagato (the Six Paths of Pain) actually had a reason for turning evil and can be questioned as to whether he is a villain or not. Nagato had a good reason for everything he did, the world proved to him that peace was impossible. He even questioned Naruto and A LOT of what Nagato said can be applied to the real world. Obviously Naruto just gave him the cliched answer "Believe in me!" and sent him to his suicide.

Many of Nagato's words can be applied to real life such as:

"We're both of the same breed, after all… motives for war are of no concern. Religion, ideology, resources, land, grudges, love, or just because… No matter how pathetic the reason, it's enough to start a war. War will never cease to exist… Reasons can be thought up after the fact. Human nature pursues strife."

"As long as humans exist in this world, there will be no peace."

To this day I still believe Nagato's philosophies are correct.

Peace → Love → Sacrifice → Hatred → War
So, Peace → War
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War, war never ch-
I guess that response is a bit too obvious.
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SweetPerplexity wrote:

Nagato (the Six Paths of Pain) actually had a reason for turning evil and can be questioned as to whether he is a villain or not. Nagato had a good reason for everything he did, the world proved to him that peace was impossible. He even questioned Naruto and A LOT of what Nagato said can be applied to the real world. Obviously Naruto just gave him the cliched answer "Believe in me!" and sent him to his suicide.

Many of Nagato's words can be applied to real life such as:

"We're both of the same breed, after all… motives for war are of no concern. Religion, ideology, resources, land, grudges, love, or just because… No matter how pathetic the reason, it's enough to start a war. War will never cease to exist… Reasons can be thought up after the fact. Human nature pursues strife."

"As long as humans exist in this world, there will be no peace."

To this day I still believe Nagato's philosophies are correct.

Peace → Love → Sacrifice → Hatred → War
So, Peace → War


In the end he wasn't different, he still believed in peace.

Nagato is and always will be nothing more then thrash (for believing in Naruto).
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I don't think "evil" is the right word to be used here.

Technically, he didn't technically turn evil but followed a sort of motivated goal after being manipulated by someone else, in this case by Tobi. Also, let's not not forget that war changes people so in a way, he changed after realizing the reality of it considering that one of this best friends died. Tobi twisted a philosophy about the world's pain since he himself also experienced something similar with his friend in the past. In a way, they are similar in some respects with what motivated them. Nagato also believed that if people did experienced pain, they would realize what peace is, which is a misguided philosophy on his part.
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I didnt read the main post or any other posts, because i don't want to spoil the story for myself. This thread should be in the naruto section.
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Nagato is completely right, we can only hope for peace. That's why humans should all die.
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Nagato is completely right, we can only hope for peace. That's why humans should all die.


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I don't know anything about Naruto, but from what I've read Nagato is rather corrupted, evil? I'd have to watch the show.

He is wrong so say that peace is impossible, that statement it just as wrong as saying all wars will end. His philosophy is corrupted because he is being quite selfish and flawed in believing that everything is black and white. Point being here is that there is a balance in life, war and hate, peace and love are not exclusive of each other, love can be found in war and hate can be found in peace. It is a balance that humanity fights for so...

One who chooses either Utopia or complete Hell may just be the most evil of all we may encounter.

In my opinion, Nagato sounds spoiled and a bit childish.

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I don't know anything about Naruto, but from what I've read Nagato is rather corrupted, evil? I'd have to watch the show.

He is wrong so say that peace is impossible, that statement it just as wrong as saying all wars will end. His philosophy is corrupted because he is being quite selfish and flawed in believing that everything is black and white. Point being here is that there is a balance in life, war and hate, peace and love are not exclusive of each other, love can be found in war and war can be found in peace.

In my opinion, Nagato sounds spoiled and a bit childish.



Point taken and I do agree with some things you've mentioned. But perhaps your views will change when you watch the show. I can't see Nagator being "childish" whatsoever, but then again it must seem that way to someone who hasn't watched/read Naruto
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ellohthere wrote:


AliceLilit_ wrote:

I don't know anything about Naruto, but from what I've read Nagato is rather corrupted, evil? I'd have to watch the show.

He is wrong so say that peace is impossible, that statement it just as wrong as saying all wars will end. His philosophy is corrupted because he is being quite selfish and flawed in believing that everything is black and white. Point being here is that there is a balance in life, war and hate, peace and love are not exclusive of each other, love can be found in war and war can be found in peace.

In my opinion, Nagato sounds spoiled and a bit childish.



Point taken and I do agree with some things you've mentioned. But perhaps your views will change when you watch the show. I can't see Nagator being "childish" whatsoever, but then again it must seem that way to someone who hasn't watched/read Naruto


True, I was just taking a general stance on the philosophy because it really interests me. I'll never watch show but...

Childish might not be the right word, but there is a level of selfishness here in believing that all one can have is peace and if anything interrupts it, peace become impossible which is pretty much what he's saying.

I may not know the show itself, but I'm very aware of the philosophy they're using, and Nagato isn't a unique character type. I think this is the progression of many antagonists/ "It's not perfect, it's not what I want, so to hell with everything."
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AliceLilit_ wrote:


ellohthere wrote:


AliceLilit_ wrote:

I don't know anything about Naruto, but from what I've read Nagato is rather corrupted, evil? I'd have to watch the show.

He is wrong so say that peace is impossible, that statement it just as wrong as saying all wars will end. His philosophy is corrupted because he is being quite selfish and flawed in believing that everything is black and white. Point being here is that there is a balance in life, war and hate, peace and love are not exclusive of each other, love can be found in war and war can be found in peace.

In my opinion, Nagato sounds spoiled and a bit childish.



Point taken and I do agree with some things you've mentioned. But perhaps your views will change when you watch the show. I can't see Nagator being "childish" whatsoever, but then again it must seem that way to someone who hasn't watched/read Naruto


True, I was just taking a general stance on the philosophy because it really interests me. I'll never watch show but...

Childish might not be the right word, but there is a level of selfishness here in believing that all one can have is peace and if anything interrupts it, peace become impossible which is pretty much what he's saying.

I may not know the show itself, but I'm very aware of the philosophy they're using.


Again, I understand where you're coming from. I, myself, would react in the same exact way if I had not watched the show. You may be right about the "selfish" aspect of your statement, though. Despite that the viewers/readers cannot help but feel sympathy by the end of his death. His specific views only exist in this manner because he was constantly mistreated by humans. If you have never experienced love, for example, how can you believe it exists?
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ellohthere wrote:

Nagato is completely right, we can only hope for peace. That's why humans should all die.


PREACH IT~!
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I don't know anything about Naruto, but from what I've read Nagato is rather corrupted, evil? I'd have to watch the show.

He is wrong so say that peace is impossible, that statement it just as wrong as saying all wars will end. His philosophy is corrupted because he is being quite selfish and flawed in believing that everything is black and white. Point being here is that there is a balance in life, war and hate, peace and love are not exclusive of each other, love can be found in war and hate can be found in peace. It is a balance that humanity fights for so...

One who chooses either Utopia or complete Hell may just be the most evil of all we may encounter.

In my opinion, Nagato sounds spoiled and a bit childish.



"The selfish desire to protect peace leads to war."
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Posted 10/22/14 , edited 10/22/14
I don't think the way this thread is posted was well considered, I wasn't even sure what I was getting spoilers for until Naruto was mentioned (and they're unmarked as well).

As to the main topic (which isn't really about Naruto and might fit better in General Discussion):

It's easier to say something is inevitable than admit that you just don't know how to stop it.

Trying to figure out how we can all live together at peace is a major challenge but that doesn't mean we should just give up. People always have a reason for what they do, it may not be what they claim and it may not be a "good" reason but there's always a reason. If we could make sure that no one ever had a reason to go to war then that would eliminate war. It might be something too big to really imagine but that doesn't mean it isn't possible. At the end of the day, we just have to learn how to live fulfilling lives without conflict.

I have to say, there's also something of a contradiction in the idea that destroying humans would create peace. There wouldn't be anyone left to be peaceful and I'm not sure I'd say the natural state of the universe is "peace". If anything, it's the human ability to rise above instinct and nature that allows us to create peace in the first place.

Even if you do believe that destroying humans would create peace, you'd really have to destroy the whole universe since there could be someone else like us out there or a new race could evolve to take our place. Even destroying the universe might not be enough since a new one might appear (or others may exist).
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