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Was Nagato right?
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Posted 10/22/14
Nagato was an innocent who had a very simple desire and a simple way of dealing with things. Because of this he was able to be twisted easily like it is to convince a child like mind. It happens a lot. However saying all humans should die is reckless. If you truly believe that please take yourselves out of the equation first. i for one enjoy life and enjoy people. It's the ying and yang you can't have one with out the other. Now we can minimize conflict but it's always going to be there because people have different minds and opinions. Nature itself is violent and yet peaceful. That's why i like Naruto he's an unrelenting optimist. The world hates optimist because everyone always tries to bring you down and be miserable like them.
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Posted 10/24/14

Smeelia wrote:

I don't think the way this thread is posted was well considered, I wasn't even sure what I was getting spoilers for until Naruto was mentioned (and they're unmarked as well).

As to the main topic (which isn't really about Naruto and might fit better in General Discussion):

It's easier to say something is inevitable than admit that you just don't know how to stop it.

Trying to figure out how we can all live together at peace is a major challenge but that doesn't mean we should just give up. People always have a reason for what they do, it may not be what they claim and it may not be a "good" reason but there's always a reason. If we could make sure that no one ever had a reason to go to war then that would eliminate war. It might be something too big to really imagine but that doesn't mean it isn't possible. At the end of the day, we just have to learn how to live fulfilling lives without conflict.

I have to say, there's also something of a contradiction in the idea that destroying humans would create peace. There wouldn't be anyone left to be peaceful and I'm not sure I'd say the natural state of the universe is "peace". If anything, it's the human ability to rise above instinct and nature that allows us to create peace in the first place.

Even if you do believe that destroying humans would create peace, you'd really have to destroy the whole universe since there could be someone else like us out there or a new race could evolve to take our place. Even destroying the universe might not be enough since a new one might appear (or others may exist).


I'm new to creating forums, and the manga chapters were released 6 years ago. The anime episodes aired 5 years ago. So I just guessed that everyone who responds to the name 'Nagato' would have seen these episodes/chapters.

Also a definition of peace is "a state or period in which there is no war or a war has ended."
Without humans there can be no war. And without war there is only peace.
War cannot exist between animals because they cannot organise themselves into large enough groups to initiate it, thankfully.
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Posted 10/24/14 , edited 10/24/14
Doesn't Naruto have its own section in this forum?
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Posted 10/24/14 , edited 10/24/14
Aren't you the same guy that asked the question if the first hokage was actually evil or something like that?
I'll tell you the same thing I said back then; you cannot apply real world logic to a fictional universe.
Principles, morales and ideology can all be warped at will by the author, and a character like Naruto can actually change the world for the better with his will, unlike the real world.

This is something Kishimoto does, A LOT, just look at the most recent events of how Sasuke is all good and fine, and Orochimaru joins the battlefield, it's just a clusterfuck of morale and ideology being clashed together in a huge mess, that it would never ever make sense in the real world, even if you take away all the magic and apply their personality to actual human beings.

Nagato was not right no, because the world of Naruto is a world where someone batshit insane can change side and undo their wrong and actually physically and philosophically change the world for good.

I was also fascinated with Nagato as a character, but learning to tell the difference between fiction and the real thing is a vital component for debating something like this, something which you are avoiding.
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