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Shootings in Ottawa on Parliament Hill
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That's just really sad. Is there any news on why he did it? You can't just do this for no reason.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

My point was there is/was no need for 'heightened security' or any other alarmist responses. the man was a lone gunman and dead within four minutes of his debut. but people are running around like the sky is falling saying "how could this happen?"



Extreme Islam is always suspect when bad things happen? That's Sanity? Really? so what branch of Islam was the Batman shooter, or Timothy McViegh? or that kid who shot up a school? or here in Canada the man who shot all those women at L'ecole Polytechnic?


Edit: anyway sorry if I sound harsh. I just don't subscribe to the culture of fear.



When you're in a calm country where things like this don't happen often if ever - then yes, the reaction many a time would be "how could this happen?" You're thrust out of your peaceful glass bowl and it has been shattered by some surprising outside force. You never though it would happen to you, but when it does you're left completely dumbfounded.

With terrorism a global threat and constant problems in other countries with extremist Islam especially, heightened security does seem to be a safe option at the moment. Today it could just be one innocent man shot dead. Next time it could be hundreds and more. You can never say when the tide will turn - look at many peaceful countries in the history of the world and see what happens to them. It is always better to be cautious, and take the time to strengthen your internal structure before you're attacked by an external force.

Extreme Islam on the global scale (what with violence in Middle Eastern countries, shooting in others, acts of terrorism, wanting to change the laws in Europe, etc. etc.) usually is the first thing that comes to mind because of the aforementioned things. This is a big problem and an ever growing threat pretty much everywhere in the world but especially in places like Europe which is feeling the negativity of it now more than ever.

Extreme Islam is of course not the cause of every problem; but it is behind many of them. And considering the threats of ISIS scaring a lot of people and how many problems extremists are causing even on smaller scales in many non-Muslim countries - people are naturally scared, and naturally blame it first and foremost, right or wrong.

The problem is Islam has many a time gotten a very negative reputation even in the past, and the acts of few are now speaking for many. It is unfortunate, but Islam has people on edge globally.
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The difference between American shootings and this one is that the man was gunned down by some one going after him instead of running away.
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It's like Canada has lost its virginity. They've had terrorism for the first time. Seriously, though. I remember our first time. It was terrible.
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ayesharocks wrote:

That's just really sad. Is there any news on why he did it? You can't just do this for no reason.


According to the news, he did it because he's Muslim.


DeadlyOats wrote:

It's like Canada has lost its virginity. They've had terrorism for the first time. Seriously, though. I remember our first time. It was terrible.


Yeah. Our first time was awful. There was blood everywhere. Everything was a mess. At least Canada had it cleaner and safer.
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so there really is a place above america ?? it's not just North USA??

seriously though, it's true that no country can escape terrorism, and i am very sorry for the country and especially the family of the man.
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I sincerely hope politicians won't be using this as an excuse to get involved with the ISIS. I haven't been keeping up with the news recently, but I think the government is blowing it out of proportions. I'm not saying that the government should take lightly, but do we even know that this was done by an organized group? as opposed to an independent radical? If it is the action of a radical then I sincerely hope that the trial will proceed as a regular criminal case, instead of as a war crime.

I think Canada (like the U.S) should mind it's own business and leave the Middle east alone. Maybe send in a few peace keepers so that the civilians don't get caught in the cross fire.

The death is tragic, but it would be even more tragic if we allow politicians to use it as an excuse to get us involved in another war.

but it's already too late for that
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haokun32 wrote:

I sincerely hope politicians won't be using this as an excuse to get involved with the ISIS. I haven't been keeping up with the news recently, but I think the government is blowing it out of proportions. I'm not saying that the government should take lightly, but do we even know that this was done by an organized group? as opposed to an independent radical? If it is the action of a radical then I sincerely hope that the trial will proceed as a regular criminal case, instead of as a war crime.

I think Canada (like the U.S) should mind it's own business and leave the Middle east alone. Maybe send in a few peace keepers so that the civilians don't get caught in the cross fire.

The death is tragic, but it would be even more tragic if we allow politicians to use it as an excuse to get us involved in another war.

but it's already too late for that


From the news report tonight, they are thinking because Harper decided to send our soldiers over there to help defeat ISIS, that is what started this whole killing of soldiers on Canadian soil. Oddly enough both guys who killed the soldiers we're from Quebec, which has been known for radicals for the last 50 odd years....
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A high school student opened fire in the cafeteria of a high school north of Seattle, WA today. He killed one and sent four more to the hospital before killing himself. It's a shame that we have to worry about stuff like this. But, situations like these are why I can't leave my apartment without a knife or a pistol.
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ayesharocks wrote:

That's just really sad. Is there any news on why he did it? You can't just do this for no reason.


He had pre-existing mental health issues, his recent conversion to Islam was secondary to that.


lilliputian_otaku wrote:

A high school student opened fire in the cafeteria of a high school north of Seattle, WA today. He killed one and sent four more to the hospital before killing himself. It's a shame that we have to worry about stuff like this. But, situations like these are why I can't leave my apartment without a knife or a pistol.


Maybe if the Canadian and US governments put more funding into mental health research and treatment these kinds of events would happen less frequently.


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i guess people are dieing to see some kinda change in this world, lel


Not funny.




Sogno- wrote:

so there really is a place above america ?? it's not just North USA??

seriously though, it's true that no country can escape terrorism, and i am very sorry for the country and especially the family of the man.


His recent conversion to Islam is more of a secondary factor. He had pre-existing mental health issues that were not properly addressed. Rather than trying to fight terrorism more of a focus and funding should be put on understanding and treating mental illness. This goes for both Canada AND the USA.
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i guess people are dieing to see some kinda change in this world, lel


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ayesharocks wrote:

That's just really sad. Is there any news on why he did it? You can't just do this for no reason.


According to the news, he did it because he's Muslim.


DeadlyOats wrote:

It's like Canada has lost its virginity. They've had terrorism for the first time. Seriously, though. I remember our first time. It was terrible.


Yeah. Our first time was awful. There was blood everywhere. Everything was a mess. At least Canada had it cleaner and safer.


Yes, because OBVIOUSLY being Muslim means you shoot up people, are you serious? You're blaming the religion?
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ayesharocks wrote:

That's just really sad. Is there any news on why he did it? You can't just do this for no reason.


He had pre-existing mental health issues, his recent conversion to Islam was secondary to that.


lilliputian_otaku wrote:

A high school student opened fire in the cafeteria of a high school north of Seattle, WA today. He killed one and sent four more to the hospital before killing himself. It's a shame that we have to worry about stuff like this. But, situations like these are why I can't leave my apartment without a knife or a pistol.


Maybe if the Canadian and US governments put more funding into mental health research and treatment these kinds of events would happen less frequently.


damonthegreat wrote:

i guess people are dieing to see some kinda change in this world, lel


Not funny.




Sogno- wrote:

so there really is a place above america ?? it's not just North USA??

seriously though, it's true that no country can escape terrorism, and i am very sorry for the country and especially the family of the man.


His recent conversion to Islam is more of a secondary factor. He had pre-existing mental health issues that were not properly addressed. Rather than trying to fight terrorism more of a focus and funding should be put on understanding and treating mental illness. This goes for both Canada AND the USA.


Secondary? Really? It shouldn't be any factor. Just because he converted to Islam does not mean he 100% becomes a terrorist.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

My point was there is/was no need for 'heightened security' or any other alarmist responses. the man was a lone gunman and dead within four minutes of his debut. but people are running around like the sky is falling saying "how could this happen?"



Extreme Islam is always suspect when bad things happen? That's Sanity? Really? so what branch of Islam was the Batman shooter, or Timothy McViegh? or that kid who shot up a school? or here in Canada the man who shot all those women at L'ecole Polytechnic?


Edit: anyway sorry if I sound harsh. I just don't subscribe to the culture of fear.



When you're in a calm country where things like this don't happen often if ever - then yes, the reaction many a time would be "how could this happen?" You're thrust out of your peaceful glass bowl and it has been shattered by some surprising outside force. You never though it would happen to you, but when it does you're left completely dumbfounded.

With terrorism a global threat and constant problems in other countries with extremist Islam especially, heightened security does seem to be a safe option at the moment. Today it could just be one innocent man shot dead. Next time it could be hundreds and more. You can never say when the tide will turn - look at many peaceful countries in the history of the world and see what happens to them. It is always better to be cautious, and take the time to strengthen your internal structure before you're attacked by an external force.

Extreme Islam on the global scale (what with violence in Middle Eastern countries, shooting in others, acts of terrorism, wanting to change the laws in Europe, etc. etc.) usually is the first thing that comes to mind because of the aforementioned things. This is a big problem and an ever growing threat pretty much everywhere in the world but especially in places like Europe which is feeling the negativity of it now more than ever.

Extreme Islam is of course not the cause of every problem; but it is behind many of them. And considering the threats of ISIS scaring a lot of people and how many problems extremists are causing even on smaller scales in many non-Muslim countries - people are naturally scared, and naturally blame it first and foremost, right or wrong.

The problem is Islam has many a time gotten a very negative reputation even in the past, and the acts of few are now speaking for many. It is unfortunate, but Islam has people on edge globally.


Moreso our society has painted an image where a terrorist has a skin color, a language, and even now a religion. If a white man shoots a few people, barely any news. If a MUSLIM man shoots up a couple, "OH MY GOD A TERRORIST!!!!!!!! KILL HIM AND WATERBOARD"
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Secondary? Really? It shouldn't be any factor. Just because he converted to Islam does not mean he 100% becomes a terrorist.


Where in my post did i say that was the case? It is secondary in that it was not the defining cause as some news circuits would have you believe. His mental health issues were known and poorly handled which more than likely lead to this entire event. Was his conversion to Islam entirely unrelated? I don't know, what I do know is that if an ISIS/ISIL cell was looking for an easy mark, someone with untreated or poorly treated mental health issues seems like a likely candidate.


ayesharocks

Moreso our society has painted an image where a terrorist has a skin color, a language, and even now a religion. If a white man shoots a few people, barely any news. If a MUSLIM man shoots up a couple, "OH MY GOD A TERRORIST!!!!!!!! KILL HIM AND WATERBOARD"


I blame the news media most notably Faux and CNN.
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