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The Sword Art Online Effect
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*shrug* It's hardly unique. Anything reasonably popular tends to get heaped with abuse from those that dont like it. Call of duty, battlefield, attack on titan, Sword art online. Same happens with some movies and some music artists.

I'd call it less of the SOA effect and more of the Hipster effect. or counter mainstream effect.. whatever.

There'll always be people like that. Some legitimately don't like a thing, some just don't like it because it's popular.

best you can do is not pay attention since that is what they want really. They want to be paid attention for being vocal about their dislike of something.

The hate probably doesn't do much to keep it alive as much as the mainstream group doing so and of course the product itself. For this to have that kind of effect the the group opposed to SOA would have to be pretty agressive about it in a very visible manner. But they aren't. It's just there on forums and what not. In their own little places stewing about it mostly.

So i think you might overall be giving them too much attention.

Do i like SOA myself ? Yeah. Quite a nice series. Is it the best thing ever since sliced bread ? Probably not. But that doesn't mean it's bad. far from it.
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To be honest i dont really care what people think, if i like something i like it.
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ImperialDane wrote:

*shrug* It's hardly unique. Anything reasonably popular tends to get heaped with abuse from those that dont like it. Call of duty, battlefield, attack on titan, Sword art online. Same happens with some movies and some music artists.

I'd call it less of the SOA effect and more of the Hipster effect. or counter mainstream effect.. whatever.



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To me SAO is like a politician and LH is a scientist. .hack// on the other hand is a poet.


No, see the Hipster effect is .hack.

"These 2 popular shows duking it out? Well I like this older mostly forgotten show with similar themes!!!"
(Sorry Jing, I love you, but the 2 posts juxtaposed was just too much :p)




I think the real "SAO Effect" is backlash to series creep.

SAO had a beloved first story arc, and a second story arc that left a vast majority of people feeling at the very least let down. There's a lot of backlash potential in that, you see the bad things in the thing you loved, and even more scary, you see that they were there all along.

Dissapointment can lead to the most lasting kind of hate :p

For me though, it's more the overtuning. SAO is absolutely blatant power-fantasy stuff, tuned for young adult men, and it fulfills most of the fantasies you want;

Dark and brooding awesome hero
Women love him and throw themselves at him without any effort on his part
Problems are pretty much directly evil monsters
Said problems are defeated by directly attacking them and killing them. It's all very straightforward.

It's heady stuff.


It's also an effective draw, and makes people love it... or alternatively to feel contempt for it for the blatancy (or maybe intent: It's a show either by a 14 year old in the body of an adult or amazingly sharply marketed for maximum appeal). It's good at what it does, but what it does is something kind of dark.
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windsagio wrote:


ImperialDane wrote:

*shrug* It's hardly unique. Anything reasonably popular tends to get heaped with abuse from those that dont like it. Call of duty, battlefield, attack on titan, Sword art online. Same happens with some movies and some music artists.

I'd call it less of the SOA effect and more of the Hipster effect. or counter mainstream effect.. whatever.



xxJing wrote:

To me SAO is like a politician and LH is a scientist. .hack// on the other hand is a poet.


No, see the Hipster effect is .hack.

"These 2 popular shows duking it out? Well I like this older mostly forgotten show with similar themes!!!"
(Sorry Jing, I love you, but the 2 posts juxtaposed was just too much :p)





I don't really consider myself a hipster lol. I consider myself a cranky old man more than anything. There seems to be sort of a trend toward idealistic situations and personalities in just about everything these days. I kind of hate that idealism.

An American example would be Twilight vs Hunger Games. Both are young adult literature obviously aimed at girls. As a 28 year old man I am outside of their intended audience. So I went in to Twilight not knowing what to expect, and thought it was really stupid. It was about 2 guys who fight over some ungrateful spoiled teenage girl. Then I went into Hunger Games expecting the same thing from it except with a ripoff of Battle Royale. But Hunger Games was actually good. Katniss was a deep character who was strong and caring but also clever and sly. While there was a love triangle going on between Katniss, Gale, and Peeta, I didn't feel it overwhelmed the story and thought it was handled really well.

SAO is like the Twilight of anime to me. I don't really know what LH is, I like it but I think it handles its romance very poorly where it borders on being that idealistic harem crap in an otherwise really well written story. It almost feels like some guy had a good idea for a story but then a publisher told him to make it more trendy. .hack// on the other hand feels like Silence of the Lambs of MMORPG animes, it's really deep and aside from it's spinoffs it doesn't really follow any trends. I mean the romance in .hack//sign is between a girl with a gender identity crisis and a crippled girl. Like no other anime has that, it's unique, and it's still good.
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xxJing wrote:


windsagio wrote:


ImperialDane wrote:

*shrug* It's hardly unique. Anything reasonably popular tends to get heaped with abuse from those that dont like it. Call of duty, battlefield, attack on titan, Sword art online. Same happens with some movies and some music artists.

I'd call it less of the SOA effect and more of the Hipster effect. or counter mainstream effect.. whatever.



xxJing wrote:

To me SAO is like a politician and LH is a scientist. .hack// on the other hand is a poet.


No, see the Hipster effect is .hack.

"These 2 popular shows duking it out? Well I like this older mostly forgotten show with similar themes!!!"
(Sorry Jing, I love you, but the 2 posts juxtaposed was just too much :p)





I don't really consider myself a hipster lol. I consider myself a cranky old man more than anything. There seems to be sort of a trend toward idealistic situations and personalities in just about everything these days. I kind of hate that idealism.

An American example would be Twilight vs Hunger Games. Both are young adult literature obviously aimed at girls. As a 28 year old man I am outside of their intended audience. So I went in to Twilight not knowing what to expect, and thought it was really stupid. It was about 2 guys who fight over some ungrateful spoiled teenage girl. Then I went into Hunger Games expecting the same thing from it except with a ripoff of Battle Royale. But Hunger Games was actually good. Katniss was a deep character who was strong and caring but also clever and sly. While there was a love triangle going on between Katniss, Gale, and Peeta, I didn't feel it overwhelmed the story and thought it was handled really well.

SAO is like the Twilight of anime to me. I don't really know what LH is, I like it but I think it handles its romance very poorly where it borders on being that idealistic harem crap in an otherwise really well written story. It almost feels like some guy had a good idea for a story but then a publisher told him to make it more trendy. .hack// on the other hand feels like Silence of the Lambs of MMORPG animes, it's really deep and aside from it's spinoffs it doesn't really follow any trends. I mean the romance in .hack//sign is between a girl with a gender identity crisis and a crippled girl. Like no other anime has that, it's unique, and it's still good.

You haven't ever read the Twilight books, have you? As a straight teenage male, I can assure you that they are far more developed than the shit movies. As a comparison, the same holds true with the SAO LN, but in contrast, the SAO anime is enjoyable if you know what to expect.
Posted 10/26/14 , edited 10/26/14
Well, first of all, we have to make sure the publicity is actually causing the SAO fanbase to grow. It can be easily said that the hatred surrounding SAO is keeping people away from the series. It could be similar to what happened to Firefly, where people who didn't watch the show told other people it wouldn't be good, thus preventing them from investing in the show.
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LH handles romance well except for when the main character is involved. Which is sort of bizarre. Though I suppose the author could be going too realistic there, what with a love triangle involving two socially awkward adult nerds and a puppy love mode middle schooler. It's hard to imagine that not being cringe worthy.

On the other hand, Kirito should star in an Axe commercial sometime.

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It cannot just be me. These type of threads show up every now and then and well... yeah.
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LH handles romance well except for when the main character is involved. Which is sort of bizarre. Though I suppose the author could be going too realistic there, what with a love triangle involving two socially awkward adult nerds and a puppy love mode middle schooler. It's hard to imagine that not being cringe worthy.

On the other hand, Kirito should star in an Axe commercial sometime.



Not sure who you are talking about as the middle schooler in LH. Akatsuki is an adult in college if you meant her
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LokiLB wrote:



LH handles romance well except for when the main character is involved. Which is sort of bizarre. Though I suppose the author could be going too realistic there, what with a love triangle involving two socially awkward adult nerds and a puppy love mode middle schooler. It's hard to imagine that not being cringe worthy.

On the other hand, Kirito should star in an Axe commercial sometime.



Not sure who you are talking about as the middle schooler in LH. Akatsuki is an adult in college if you meant her


Minori? Hence the extreme awkwardness of her going after Shiroe, a grad student.
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Oh, not again..
The fact that theres an actual person behind this thread is amusing to me.
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...FINE. I'll say something!

As those would know, I've been very transparent about my dislike of SAO. Now, I never saw the first season of the show as it was being aired, so I was never apart of the initial backlash and furor. So I was pretty much away and uninfluenced by the negativity coming from the viewers.

And when I saw it on my own...I thought it sucked. Both the first and second half of the first season. SAOII and GGO...well, as that legendary space outlaw puts it: "Something good, something bad, bit of both". The whole "1 step forward, 2 steps back" routine.

What does kill me is when people sweep any and all criticism under the rug and to denounce the other guy as "just" another hater. Well...

1.) if you really believe that, then clearly you lack reading comprehension skill.

2.) if you disagree with the other guy that much then you don't have to respond

3.) it really does make you look like a blind fanboy

That your precious show is SO flawless that there's nothing wrong with it and any criticism MUST be wrong...well, that's no good. And it really does reaffirm the belief that the people who like it are blind fans that will accept anything putting any thought to it.

Or even worst, lashing out at at naysayers declaring all of them trolls, because you don't want the negative voices to come back. That kind of mentality isn't going to get you anywhere, especially on the Internet.

The thing is, is that if you really consider yourself a fan, you should be able to pick out what's wrong with the show you like. So that when someone who dislikes it brings it up in discussion, you're ready with a counter response on why you think it's not that bad or it's not that big of a deal.

One of the golden rules in having healthy relationships: acknowledging that the person you love has flaws and that they exist.

Are you at perfect liberty to like a show that I dislike? Sure. Doesn't mean that I nor any other naysayers aren't allowed to discuss why we don't like it and discuss it with those that do.
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Yep, the comparison between SAO and LH is brought up (again). It's just a matter of time.

Is it a coincidence that this thread appear after the one in the General Discussion? They aren't related, right?
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xxJing wrote:


windsagio wrote:


ImperialDane wrote:

*shrug* It's hardly unique. Anything reasonably popular tends to get heaped with abuse from those that dont like it. Call of duty, battlefield, attack on titan, Sword art online. Same happens with some movies and some music artists.

I'd call it less of the SOA effect and more of the Hipster effect. or counter mainstream effect.. whatever.



xxJing wrote:

To me SAO is like a politician and LH is a scientist. .hack// on the other hand is a poet.


No, see the Hipster effect is .hack.

"These 2 popular shows duking it out? Well I like this older mostly forgotten show with similar themes!!!"
(Sorry Jing, I love you, but the 2 posts juxtaposed was just too much :p)





I don't really consider myself a hipster lol. I consider myself a cranky old man more than anything. There seems to be sort of a trend toward idealistic situations and personalities in just about everything these days. I kind of hate that idealism.

An American example would be Twilight vs Hunger Games. Both are young adult literature obviously aimed at girls. As a 28 year old man I am outside of their intended audience. So I went in to Twilight not knowing what to expect, and thought it was really stupid. It was about 2 guys who fight over some ungrateful spoiled teenage girl. Then I went into Hunger Games expecting the same thing from it except with a ripoff of Battle Royale. But Hunger Games was actually good. Katniss was a deep character who was strong and caring but also clever and sly. While there was a love triangle going on between Katniss, Gale, and Peeta, I didn't feel it overwhelmed the story and thought it was handled really well.

SAO is like the Twilight of anime to me. I don't really know what LH is, I like it but I think it handles its romance very poorly where it borders on being that idealistic harem crap in an otherwise really well written story. It almost feels like some guy had a good idea for a story but then a publisher told him to make it more trendy. .hack// on the other hand feels like Silence of the Lambs of MMORPG animes, it's really deep and aside from it's spinoffs it doesn't really follow any trends. I mean the romance in .hack//sign is between a girl with a gender identity crisis and a crippled girl. Like no other anime has that, it's unique, and it's still good.


It hurst me a bit when I see someione who's got 10 years on me describe themselves as a 'crusty old man' though :D

I like the description of SAO, it's twilight for boys. LH is it's own beast, and doesn't really compare well. It's like the flavor text on a D&D sourcebook.

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windsagio wrote:

I like the description of SAO, it's twilight for boys. LH is it's own beast, and doesn't really compare well. It's like the flavor text on a D&D sourcebook.



"Twilight for B-"

Oh my god. Oh my god, suddenly things have become fucking CLEAR as the early morning sky! That makes sense in SO many different ways it boggles my mind!

Imma start using that from now on. 'Sank you!!! XD
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