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Posted 10/27/14

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I'm saying that Shirou saved Saber from the nuke. Shirou was not completely useless, if he didn't get Saber out of that spot she would have been screwed. Saber even said it herself.


Still gonna take a huge leap for him to become the person hes at the end of UBW...not sure if they can make it believable
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LoomyTheBrew wrote:


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I'm saying that Shirou saved Saber from the nuke. Shirou was not completely useless, if he didn't get Saber out of that spot she would have been screwed. Saber even said it herself.


Pretty much. He wasn't entirely useless. But in this fight he was pretty much a third rate auxilliary.
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I'm saying that Shirou saved Saber from the nuke. Shirou was not completely useless, if he didn't get Saber out of that spot she would have been screwed. Saber even said it herself.


When? and how fast can Shirou run from a nuke? If i remember the speed of Cadbolg is 10 mach and a nuke should at least be more then 40 meters.

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I think its pretty sure to assume that the blast would have killed them both. Also I think Archer is depicted as too weak, at last his final attack, while Saber seems too strong, considering her weakened status. I mean in the VN it was so strong, that it forced Berserker too abandon the fight with Saber and deal with the arrow. Sorry to say this, but I smell some pandering to Saberfans here. Her blade shouldnt even have been able to cut him, as invisible air is just C-Rank. And then Cadabolg II is A-Rank and does nothing?!



I thought her Attack was a mini Excalibur, thus why she used a fair amount of magical energy to execute it. Invisible air is used her to conceal her weapon, I'm pretty sure it's not an attack (could be wrong though, but when I read the description of it in the VN, it sounded like it was only used to conceal her weapon and not an attack). She used an Excalibur-like attack, which is why the invisible air went off her sword to perform the attack. So it makes perfect sense why it penetrated Berserker since Excalibur is really strong, even if it was a smaller version of it.

Also Berseker blocked the arrow, so he didn't get a direct hit.
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Posted 10/27/14 , edited 10/27/14

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DawnOfAthena wrote:

I think its pretty sure to assume that the blast would have killed them both. Also I think Archer is depicted as too weak, at last his final attack, while Saber seems too strong, considering her weakened status. I mean in the VN it was so strong, that it forced Berserker too abandon the fight with Saber and deal with the arrow. Sorry to say this, but I smell some pandering to Saberfans here. Her blade shouldnt even have been able to cut him, as invisible air is just C-Rank. And then Cadabolg II is A-Rank and does nothing?!



I thought her Attack was a mini Excalibur, thus why she used a fair amount of magical energy to execute it. Invisible air is used her to conceal her weapon, I'm pretty sure it's not an attack (could be wrong though, but when I read the description of it in the VN, it sounded like it was only used to conceal her weapon and not an attack). She used an Excalibur-like attack, which is why the invisible air went off her sword to perform the attack. So it makes perfect sense why it penetrated Berserker since Excalibur is really strong, even if it was a smaller version of it.

Also Berseker blocked the arrow, so he didn't get a direct hit.


Its also an attack
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Invisible_Air
Still doesnt change the fact, that she shoul not have been strong enough to cut him in her weakened state. Her strenght is only B with Shirou as master. I´m pretty sure the rank of excaliburs ultimate attack doesnt inflence the standard cutting.

And I know Beserker deflected it, but it does not look like it for the not knowing viewer, resulting in Archer looking like he cant even damage Beserker at all. How many people are already out there, believeing it to be his NP.

Edit: Im pretty sure her attack on Beserker was invisible air, as it fits that description exactly.
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LoomyTheBrew wrote:


DawnOfAthena wrote:

I think its pretty sure to assume that the blast would have killed them both. Also I think Archer is depicted as too weak, at last his final attack, while Saber seems too strong, considering her weakened status. I mean in the VN it was so strong, that it forced Berserker too abandon the fight with Saber and deal with the arrow. Sorry to say this, but I smell some pandering to Saberfans here. Her blade shouldnt even have been able to cut him, as invisible air is just C-Rank. And then Cadabolg II is A-Rank and does nothing?!



I thought her Attack was a mini Excalibur, thus why she used a fair amount of magical energy to execute it. Invisible air is used her to conceal her weapon, I'm pretty sure it's not an attack (could be wrong though, but when I read the description of it in the VN, it sounded like it was only used to conceal her weapon and not an attack). She used an Excalibur-like attack, which is why the invisible air went off her sword to perform the attack. So it makes perfect sense why it penetrated Berserker since Excalibur is really strong, even if it was a smaller version of it.

Also Berseker blocked the arrow, so he didn't get a direct hit.


Its also an attack
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Invisible_Air
Still doesnt change the fact, that she shoul not have been strong enough to cut him in her weakened state. Her strenght is only B with Shirou as master. I´m pretty sure the rank of excaliburs ultimate attack doesnt inflence the standard cutting.

And I know Beserker deflected it, but it does not look like it for the not knowing viewer, resulting in Archer looking like he cant even damage Beserker at all. How many people are already out there, believeing it to be his NP.

Edit: Im pretty sure her attack on Beserker was invisible air, as it fits that description exactly.


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Still gonna take a huge leap for him to become the person hes at the end of UBW...not sure if they can make it believable


Hm? If they follow the VN, which they are doing, showing him getting stronger shouldnt be a problem at all. It should be just as believable as it was in the VN, I don't know why you're concerned about that.


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LoomyTheBrew wrote:


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I'm saying that Shirou saved Saber from the nuke. Shirou was not completely useless, if he didn't get Saber out of that spot she would have been screwed. Saber even said it herself.


Pretty much. He wasn't entirely useless. But in this fight he was pretty much a third rate auxilliary.


Well we all know this! I'm just saying he served one purpose and he accomplished it. He even knew he was powerless but he did something that was actually beneficial. I'm not saying he was the MVP of the fight, I'm just saying he did do something meaningful.


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TomCraft wrote:



I'm saying that Shirou saved Saber from the nuke. Shirou was not completely useless, if he didn't get Saber out of that spot she would have been screwed. Saber even said it herself.


When? and how fast can Shirou run from a nuke? If i remember the speed of Cadbolg is 10 mach and a nuke should at least be more then 40 meters.

This isn't important


He sensed it coming, so he saved Saber from the explosion! What else do you want me to say? It happened! I swear to god! Lol
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Posted 10/27/14

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Like I said, it isn't important.
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@Loomy: Oh i know. It's good that he did something. Without talking down to anyone too..
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@Loomy: Oh i know. It's good that he did something. Without talking down to anyone too..


Ah come on i know you want to hear "Girls should not fight" and "People die when they are killed too"
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Posted 10/27/14 , edited 10/27/14

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@Loomy: Oh i know. It's good that he did something. Without talking down to anyone too..



DawnOfAthena wrote:


ImperialDane wrote:

@Loomy: Oh i know. It's good that he did something. Without talking down to anyone too..


Ah come on i know you want to hear "Girls should not fight" and "People die when they are killed too"


Haha yep! Way better than good ol Fate Shirou!

Seriously, Fate Shirou was SO stubborn and protective in the beginning. He definitely pissed off me in the beginning, but then after the Bersker fight he got better once he learned to trust Saber and got over his fucking self righteousness. I would have given the Fate route a perfect score in my book if it wasn't for Shirou's insufferable attitude during the first half.
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Yeah... that attitude was terrible..
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Posted 10/27/14 , edited 10/27/14

LoomyTheBrew wrote:


Did Realta Nua alter some of that dialogue to sound more like its supposed to (which is more about his over protectiveness than gender roles)? or is it literally word for word port just with new art and some new story (via true ending(s))?
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Man I´m kinda mad now, I just remember how my favourite servant gonna get shafted soon in this route.
Really, only VN readers can acknowledge Riders true glory till now.
I´m gonna enjoy how all the Saber-Fans will be crying out loud after Rider is done with her in Heavens Feel.

But till then have patience and endure.
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Man I´m kinda mad now, I just remember how my favourite servant gonna get shafted soon in this route.
Really, only VN readers can acknowledge Riders true glory till now.
I´m gonna enjoy how all the Saber-Fans will be crying out loud after Rider is done with her in Heavens Feel.

But till then have patience and endure.


*Shirou
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