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Man I´m kinda mad now, I just remember how my favourite servant gonna get shafted soon in this route.
Really, only VN readers can acknowledge Riders true glory till now.
I´m gonna enjoy how all the Saber-Fans will be crying out loud after Rider is done with her in Heavens Feel.

But till then have patience and endure.


*Shirou


just because he lands the killing blow....
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DawnOfAthena wrote:

Man I´m kinda mad now, I just remember how my favourite servant gonna get shafted soon in this route.
Really, only VN readers can acknowledge Riders true glory till now.
I´m gonna enjoy how all the Saber-Fans will be crying out loud after Rider is done with her in Heavens Feel.

But till then have patience and endure.


I'm already on record as being on Team Rider. Best part of Fate in my opinion.

Writing this on my phone. lots of good stuff I'll respond to later tonight
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Did Realta Nua alter some of that dialogue to sound more like its supposed to (which is more about his over protectiveness than gender roles)? or is it literally word for word port just with new art and some new story (via true ending(s))?


Yes, some dialog is different in Realta Nua. Hell the Vita and PSP versions have voice acting.
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I've been mulling over where I think the series will cut off for its break and I'm confident it will be right before archer betrays rin or shirous character moment after illya dies. I personally hope that its the latter, it would be an amazing cliff hanger and also gives one of the biggest insights to shirous character in the visual novel.

The other thong I'm really looking toward to is seeing how the anime handles the relationship between shirou and archer. Like many other people have already stated I hope we get to see more details on archers backstory, and a visual medium would be the perfect opputunity in order to better show it, especially since we should Starr getting details within the next few episodes. We've already seen an instance of the connection shirou and archer share with shirou sensing his attack and emphasizing this is something I would love to see. Their relationship isthe crux of the ubw route so if anything needs to he done right it is this.


In all likely hood with the pacing, It will be at the half way point of the UBW and that is when Caster stabs Saber with Rule Breaker.
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So lancer is stronger than Archer, interesting.


Due to circumstances, Archer's stats are kind of bad. I don't know if Lancer mentioned this, but his Master is having him just observe other Servants rather than seriously fight them, that's why he asked Saber if they could just call their fight a draw.


Also, the Master who summons the Heroic Spirit has an influence on their power levels. That's why Berserker's stats are so high; not only is he a demi-god (and thus a high level Heroic Spirit), but his master is Ilya, who's probably the world's most powerful living magus. Conversely, Saber is relatively low because Emiya is an inexperienced magus; in Fate/Zero she was much stronger. Lancer's a poor sap that gets stuck with the worst luck in every route; I guess he kinda wins one battle, if you can call that a win.


Actually, I am gonna disagree with Illya being the most powerful living magus in the nasuverse. After all we have Zeltriech ), who is not only a friggin dead apostle ancestor, but also the head of the magic assosciation AND the bearer of the second magic.

Then we have Aozaki, the bearer of the Fifth Magic.
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imaginarycreatures wrote:


shadowtonberry wrote:


Nobodyofimportance wrote:

So lancer is stronger than Archer, interesting.


Due to circumstances, Archer's stats are kind of bad. I don't know if Lancer mentioned this, but his Master is having him just observe other Servants rather than seriously fight them, that's why he asked Saber if they could just call their fight a draw.


Also, the Master who summons the Heroic Spirit has an influence on their power levels. That's why Berserker's stats are so high; not only is he a demi-god (and thus a high level Heroic Spirit), but his master is Ilya, who's probably the world's most powerful living magus. Conversely, Saber is relatively low because Emiya is an inexperienced magus; in Fate/Zero she was much stronger. Lancer's a poor sap that gets stuck with the worst luck in every route; I guess he kinda wins one battle, if you can call that a win.


Actually, I am gonna disagree with Illya being the most powerful living magus in the nasuverse. After all we have Zeltriech ), who is not only a friggin dead apostle ancestor, but also the head of the magic assosciation AND the bearer of the second magic.

Then we have Aozaki, the bearer of the Fifth Magic.


Both the Aozaki sisters are among the strongest the the Nasuverse. Hell the strongest ones in Fate/Stay Night are in the middle to high middle of the road when it comes to the entirety of the Nausverse in terms of power.
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I've been mulling over where I think the series will cut off for its break and I'm confident it will be right before archer betrays rin or shirous character moment after illya dies. I personally hope that its the latter, it would be an amazing cliff hanger and also gives one of the biggest insights to shirous character in the visual novel.

The other thong I'm really looking toward to is seeing how the anime handles the relationship between shirou and archer. Like many other people have already stated I hope we get to see more details on archers backstory, and a visual medium would be the perfect opputunity in order to better show it, especially since we should Starr getting details within the next few episodes. We've already seen an instance of the connection shirou and archer share with shirou sensing his attack and emphasizing this is something I would love to see. Their relationship isthe crux of the ubw route so if anything needs to he done right it is this.


In all likely hood with the pacing, It will be at the half way point of the UBW and that is when Caster stabs Saber with Rule Breaker.


I figured that would be a bit more likely and it still would be a great cliff hanger but we aren't going to get any of the major character moments for ahirou in the first half then so I think it would be better to leave off there personally. I literally found the vn right after the English pqtach was released and that was about 6 years ago.... I've heard so much muck flung at shirou over those years it stooped being funny even from an anime only perspective. I'm a little impatient to start getting to his major character moments and like I said that moment after illyas death would be a perfect spot to stop.
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Man I´m kinda mad now, I just remember how my favourite servant gonna get shafted soon in this route.
Really, only VN readers can acknowledge Riders true glory till now.
I´m gonna enjoy how all the Saber-Fans will be crying out loud after Rider is done with her in Heavens Feel.

But till then have patience and endure.


Pffffff

Rider is cool and all, but nothing can beat my Say-ba.


Also I'll be sure to give you a few gifs of Rider's death just to let it sink in. I may even include some gifs of her death from F/Sn 06 if I'm feeling extra generous
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Also, the Master who summons the Heroic Spirit has an influence on their power levels. That's why Berserker's stats are so high; not only is he a demi-god (and thus a high level Heroic Spirit), but his master is Ilya, who's probably the world's most powerful living magus. Conversely, Saber is relatively low because Emiya is an inexperienced magus; in Fate/Zero she was much stronger. Lancer's a poor sap that gets stuck with the worst luck in every route; I guess he kinda wins one battle, if you can call that a win.


Actually, I am gonna disagree with Illya being the most powerful living magus in the nasuverse. After all we have Zeltriech ), who is not only a friggin dead apostle ancestor, but also the head of the magic assosciation AND the bearer of the second magic.

Then we have Aozaki, the bearer of the Fifth Magic.


My impression was always that the bearers of True Magic are considered to be "magicians" and not magi (I don't know the terms in Japanese, but I know that they use different terms for them). Thus, because Ilya is the magus who is currently closest to being a bearer of True Magic without actually being so, she would be the most powerful magus.

Perhaps I'm wrong on the terminology, but that was what I meant: that she's the most powerful magus who doesn't actually bear one of the True Magics. It's largely irrelevant though; for the sake of Fate/Stay Night, I don't think anyone is going to argue that Bazett or Tohsaka or any Matou are more powerful. Sakura becomes immensely powerful in Heaven's Feel, but that isn't Magecraft. Zouken is powerful, but he certainly can't access Heaven's Feel; otherwise he would have already. So, regardless of Ilya's power level relative to the rest of the Nasuverse, I would definitely say she's the most powerful magus in this story.
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TomCraft wrote:


DawnOfAthena wrote:

Man I´m kinda mad now, I just remember how my favourite servant gonna get shafted soon in this route.
Really, only VN readers can acknowledge Riders true glory till now.
I´m gonna enjoy how all the Saber-Fans will be crying out loud after Rider is done with her in Heavens Feel.

But till then have patience and endure.


*Shirou


just because he lands the killing blow....


In the previous thread, I wrote something in there that I hastily edited out, realizing that it kinda was a spoiler, but I'll say it here:

Rider was robbed!
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I've been mulling over where I think the series will cut off for its break and I'm confident it will be right before archer betrays rin or shirous character moment after illya dies. I personally hope that its the latter, it would be an amazing cliff hanger and also gives one of the biggest insights to shirous character in the visual novel.

The other thong I'm really looking toward to is seeing how the anime handles the relationship between shirou and archer. Like many other people have already stated I hope we get to see more details on archers backstory, and a visual medium would be the perfect opputunity in order to better show it, especially since we should Starr getting details within the next few episodes. We've already seen an instance of the connection shirou and archer share with shirou sensing his attack and emphasizing this is something I would love to see. Their relationship isthe crux of the ubw route so if anything needs to he done right it is this.


In all likely hood with the pacing, It will be at the half way point of the UBW and that is when Caster stabs Saber with Rule Breaker.


That's been my assumption from the beginning. It might be better to end with Archer's betrayal of Rin, but that's a fair bit past the halfway mark, and I don't see them getting that far by episode 12.

Besides, the Rule Breaker moment is such an explosive scene; I remember reading that and being totally shocked. I assumed that Saber would be Shirou's Servant through all the routes, just that the events would play out differently to focus more on Rin in UBW.
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Loboeye wrote:


JadeAmberTwins wrote:

I've been mulling over where I think the series will cut off for its break and I'm confident it will be right before archer betrays rin or shirous character moment after illya dies. I personally hope that its the latter, it would be an amazing cliff hanger and also gives one of the biggest insights to shirous character in the visual novel.

The other thong I'm really looking toward to is seeing how the anime handles the relationship between shirou and archer. Like many other people have already stated I hope we get to see more details on archers backstory, and a visual medium would be the perfect opputunity in order to better show it, especially since we should Starr getting details within the next few episodes. We've already seen an instance of the connection shirou and archer share with shirou sensing his attack and emphasizing this is something I would love to see. Their relationship isthe crux of the ubw route so if anything needs to he done right it is this.


In all likely hood with the pacing, It will be at the half way point of the UBW and that is when Caster stabs Saber with Rule Breaker.


That's been my assumption from the beginning. It might be better to end with Archer's betrayal of Rin, but that's a fair bit past the halfway mark, and I don't see them getting that far by episode 12.

Besides, the Rule Breaker moment is such an explosive scene; I remember reading that and being totally shocked. I assumed that Saber would be Shirou's Servant through all the routes, just that the events would play out differently to focus more on Rin in UBW.


And it would work so perfectly, Shirou, Rin, and Saber have their date in the first half of the episode, and the second half leads up to that cliffhanger until March.
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That's good to know at least, some of the lines I've seen needed to be tossed out or re-phrased.




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I really feel bad for Rider in more ways than one:

1) She really does get back burner-ed for 2/3rds of the overall story
2) Of all people she had to get contracted with it was Sakura which then becomes Shinji -.- (even more so with knowledge of her mythos, part of the reason I can get so angry/agitated when it comes to Sakura). At times I feel more sympathy for her than Sakura.
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I really feel bad for Rider in more ways than one:

1) She really does get back burner-ed for 2/3rds of the overall story
2) Of all people she had to get contracted with it was Sakura which then becomes Shinji -.- (even more so with knowledge of her mythos, part of the reason I can get so angry/agitated when it comes to Sakura). At times I feel more sympathy for her than Sakura.


Medusa's always been a easy character to sympathize with, even if you think about it a little.

If you go by Ovid's version of the story, she was raped and impregnated by Poseidon, and subsequently punished by Athena with disfigurement (but its okay, because Ovid said she deserved it; I'm not even gonna touch that one). But, you know, she's trying to work it out, living in isolation. I mean, there she was, minding her own business, pregnant with Poseidon's baby, then Perseus shows up, wanting to kill her because she's the mortal one of the Gorgons. All the gods on Olympus just decide its okay for her to die, and send off Perseus to kill her as some sort of trophy for a King nobody cares about anymore.

All I'm sayin' is, girl had a pretty crappy life. The one positive is that she birthed Pegasus, and everyone loved Pegasus. Well, the chimera didn't love Pegasus, but most everyone else did.

Then, flash forward to Fate/Stay Night. She gets summoned by Sakura, one of the few people who could potentially contend with her for horrible life stories...and then she gets handed off to Shinji, a guy whose picture belongs in the encyclopedia next to the entry for "scumbag rapist", and who proceeds to use her in as stupid and ineffective manner as possible. At least in Heaven's Feel, he has the good grace to die before sending her off to another ill-advised battle that would have inevitably led to her defeat. And, in the True End, she at least gets a happy ending.
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Also, the Master who summons the Heroic Spirit has an influence on their power levels. That's why Berserker's stats are so high; not only is he a demi-god (and thus a high level Heroic Spirit), but his master is Ilya, who's probably the world's most powerful living magus. Conversely, Saber is relatively low because Emiya is an inexperienced magus; in Fate/Zero she was much stronger. Lancer's a poor sap that gets stuck with the worst luck in every route; I guess he kinda wins one battle, if you can call that a win.


Actually, I am gonna disagree with Illya being the most powerful living magus in the nasuverse. After all we have Zeltriech ), who is not only a friggin dead apostle ancestor, but also the head of the magic assosciation AND the bearer of the second magic.

Then we have Aozaki, the bearer of the Fifth Magic.


My impression was always that the bearers of True Magic are considered to be "magicians" and not magi (I don't know the terms in Japanese, but I know that they use different terms for them). Thus, because Ilya is the magus who is currently closest to being a bearer of True Magic without actually being so, she would be the most powerful magus.

Perhaps I'm wrong on the terminology, but that was what I meant: that she's the most powerful magus who doesn't actually bear one of the True Magics. It's largely irrelevant though; for the sake of Fate/Stay Night, I don't think anyone is going to argue that Bazett or Tohsaka or any Matou are more powerful. Sakura becomes immensely powerful in Heaven's Feel, but that isn't Magecraft. Zouken is powerful, but he certainly can't access Heaven's Feel; otherwise he would have already. So, regardless of Ilya's power level relative to the rest of the Nasuverse, I would definitely say she's the most powerful magus in this story.


Yeah you are correct with the terminology. My mistake. True magic bearers are often called "magicians" or sometimes sorcerers.

Anyways, so far I am happy with the adaptation, especially the eye candy that is the fight scenes. I hope they go more into Shirou's mindset later on (which given the nature of the UBW route is a given) and how.empty he is inside.

Also I am liking all the extra nods to fate/zero that they added in the anime (I don't recall all the little nods in the vn, though its been awhile since I've last read it).
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