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what are parodoxes?
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amanda233 wrote:

what are parodoxes?

A paradox is an apparently true statement or group of statements that leads to a contradiction or a situation which defies intuition. Typically, either the statements in question do not really imply the contradiction, the puzzling result is not really a contradiction, or the premises themselves are not all really true or cannot all be true together. The word paradox is often used interchangeably and wrongly with contradiction; but whereas a contradiction asserts its own opposite, many paradoxes do allow for resolution of some kind.
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amanda233 wrote:

what are parodoxes?


a statement or proposition that seems self-contradictory or absurd but in reality expresses a possible truth.

Russell`s Paradox

1. There are sets than contain themselves (examples: "the set of all objects that can be described with exactly thirteen words", "the set of all thinkable things")
2. Therefore, a set either contains itself or not. Let's call a set "non-normal" in the first case and "normal" in the second
3. Let N be the collection of all normal sets, which of course, is itself a set
4. Question: is N normal?
5. If N is normal, then by definition of "normality" it does not contain itself. But N contains by construction all normal sets therefore itself too (contradiction)
6. If N is not normal, then by definition of "non-normality" N is itself a member of N. But by construction, any member of N is a normal set (contradiction too)
7. Conclusion: the statement "N is normal" is neither true nor false

This particular paradox is analogous to the contradictions found when examining infinite sets. Gödel's work led to the realization that such "antinomies" are unavoided and so the mathematical Holy Grail of complete consistent systems is an impossibility.
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what.. don't get you.. what's N?
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I am actually good at math. Well, maybe because I am 5 years younger. Ok. Got it
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Aha, we had to learn what paradoxes were for English class (we were reading Oedipus the King, sooo yeah...)
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If a person who never lies says to someone, I'm a liar, that would make them a liar. But by saying the person is a liar, would make what they were saying true, making them not a liar.

This is a paradox, right?
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SumireHinata wrote:

Aha, we had to learn what paradoxes were for English class (we were reading Oedipus the King, sooo yeah...)


I remember learning it in English class while reading Romeo and Juliet. I didn't get it in English class, Crunchyroll helps me to learn
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god is a pretty good paradox.... ever read the bible? full of contradictions!
:::devil horns:::
I'm evil.. I know... and my father a worship director and all!
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mushroomjay wrote:

Windows is good.


lol


Dusterbayala wrote:

god is a pretty good paradox.... ever read the bible? full of contradictions!
:::devil horns:::
I'm evil.. I know... and my father a worship director and all!


so true!

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soo many big words lol jk
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arano wrote:


mushroomjay wrote:

Windows is good.


lol


Dusterbayala wrote:

god is a pretty good paradox.... ever read the bible? full of contradictions!
:::devil horns:::
I'm evil.. I know... and my father a worship director and all!


so true!



LOL I knew there was a reason why I had a crush on you!
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Dusterbayala wrote:


arano wrote:


mushroomjay wrote:

Windows is good.


lol


Dusterbayala wrote:

god is a pretty good paradox.... ever read the bible? full of contradictions!
:::devil horns:::
I'm evil.. I know... and my father a worship director and all!


so true!



LOL I knew there was a reason why I had a crush on you!


what!?
did i miss something?

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^lol didn't amka tell you?

*note - read who is your crush thread!
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A thread like this exists. :)

Paradoxical Catch Phrases
http://www.crunchyroll.com/showforumtopic?id=3636&pg=0

I only noticed this now. :P

About the bible being full of contradictions, maybe you mean Pardoxes. Remember, paradoxes in themeselves (due to the form of which they are presented) seem to contradict themselves, but when investigated, hold a certain sensible truth. Contradictions also exist in different forms, and just because it exists in one form, it does not totally negate the truth or value of the text. Two basic forms I can think of is form and content. In terms of form, this is a paradoxical statement:

Many people don't know how to spel.

It's paradoxical because I'm contradicting myself in form, because I, myself, can't seem to spell. But in terms of content, it makes sense because I serve as an example to show that most people really do not know how to spell.

Well, this discussion can continue in the said thread.
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