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Posted 10/27/14

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Me too.


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Posted 10/27/14 , edited 10/27/14

Terminology wrote:
I really like cereal.


There are plot holes in my cheerios. I'm outraged. I must take to the internet to let everyone know!
Posted 10/27/14 , edited 10/27/14

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metalshiflet96 wrote:



Heathcliff says something about him resisting the system, so... I won't deny that it's bad writing, but that's still not really a hole.


Personally, I don't think that was bad writing at all. In fact, it was very consistent with the game world. Unexplainable things happened many times before in their 2 years trapped in SAO.

Remember when Griselda's ghost literally appeared to them even though she'd been dead for months? Remember when they found a rogue sentient AI randomly wandering through the woods? The Cardinal System was a living, breathing, self-sustaining, possibly sentient program and comparing it to what SHOULD happen in a normal game is doing it a disservice.


It could've been imagined, or a source of symbolism or whatnot, rather than a literal ghost. I personally think it is bad writing because it creates false tension and undermines the trust between the creator and the viewer.
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Posted 10/27/14 , edited 10/27/14

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Ten years? Pretty sure Aincrad was only 2 years, Fairy Dance was a week, GGO was like a day or two, and then there's the side arcs and the current arc that I have yet to read


So does that mean the next arc will be like 4 hours?


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Terminology wrote:
I really like cereal.


There are plot holes in my cheerios. I'm outraged. I must take to the internet to let everyone know!


I'll support you bro

You tell them how many plot holes there are in your cheerios


Posted 10/27/14

metalshiflet96 wrote:

For all the plot holes, nobody has really mentioned any :(


To be fair, it would be considered a plothole in the adaptation. I consider Asuna's survival to be a plothole because it went unexplained. I am thinking most of the problem stems from the anime not adapting certain parts from what I can understand here.
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as for asuna, did they say it took time to delete a person who died? IIRC

as for plot holes, the only one i can think if is everyone acts like there in pain, but was stated in the beginning there was no pain.

tho it might be sympathetic pain, some things hurts even if there is no actual pain stimulation, i.e. i it hurts me when my car goes BANG when i run over something...

i'm still waiting for a plot hole, here.

asuna might be one. gotta go back and check.
not trying to be a troll, but i really want to know.
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Posted 10/27/14 , edited 10/27/14

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ThisWasATriumph wrote:

Personally, I don't think that was bad writing at all. In fact, it was very consistent with the game world. Unexplainable things happened many times before in their 2 years trapped in SAO.

Remember when Griselda's ghost literally appeared to them even though she'd been dead for months? Remember when they found a rogue sentient AI randomly wandering through the woods? The Cardinal System was a living, breathing, self-sustaining, possibly sentient program and comparing it to what SHOULD happen in a normal game is doing it a disservice.


It could've been imagined, or a source of symbolism or whatnot, rather than a literal ghost. I personally think it is bad writing because it creates false tension and undermines the trust between the creator and the viewer.


It was certainly implied that it really happened, both in the anime, and in the novel.
an exerpt-

Shocked, I turn to look behind, and what was in front of my
eyes—— The umpteenth inexplicable scene ever since I got involved in this
‘inside area incident’ appeared in my eyes.
In Aincrad, all sorts of senses are digitalized data that can be
indicated through process codes, so it’s impossible for supernatural
phenomenon to happen.
So is this a bug is the server I see? Or is it an illusion in my
breath?





PeripheralVisionary wrote:


metalshiflet96 wrote:

For all the plot holes, nobody has really mentioned any :(


To be fair, it would be considered a plothole in the adaptation. I consider Asuna's survival to be a plothole because it went unexplained. I am thinking most of the problem stems from the anime not adapting certain parts from what I can understand here.


I think Asuna's survival was sort of a gift for ending the game. They both watched the end of the world as Aincrad fell apart floor by floor and had accepted that they would vanish with it as they watched. However, to Kirito's surprise, he woke up anyway. Could you imagine for a second though, how much darker the story would be if she didnt live? Kirito would have ended up with his cousin!
Posted 10/27/14 , edited 10/28/14
It's nothing but conjecture on your end, which only stresses the fact it was a plothole in need of explanation. You can't just make stuff up and say it is not a plothole. unless it was implied, which for the most part it wasn't. The anime portrayed Asuna's death as being real.

As for the ghost thing, it wasn't really implied in the anime, it just showed the figure of Griselda.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:
I think Asuna's survival was sort of a gift for ending the game. They both watched the end of the world as Aincrad fell apart floor by floor and had accepted that they would vanish with it as they watched. However, to Kirito's surprise, he woke up anyway. Could you imagine for a second though, how much darker the story would be if she didnt live? Kirito would have ended up with his cousin!

It's nothing but conjecture on your end, which only stresses the fact it was a plothole in need of explanation. You can't just make stuff up and say it is not a plothole. unless it was implied, which for the most part it wasn't. The anime portrayed Asuna's death as being real.

As for the ghost thing, it wasn't really implied in the anime, it just showed the figure of Griselda.

Asuna's death is explained in the LN as being a gift for both of them completing the game, because Asuna did take part in the fight in some form. I think that is a plot hole in the anime though.
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As for the plotholes, I can list a few.
Note that this depends on the absence of knowledge one would receive from the light novels, thus being anime only plotholes.

-Asuna's survival

-Why would Oberon what's his real name create an mmo and not just port the 300 people out to a private server or something?

I can only list two. We can at least admit that the anime left vital information out.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

As for the plotholes, I can list a few.
Note that this depends on the absence of knowledge one would receive from the light novels, thus being anime only plotholes.

-Asuna's survival

-Why would Oberon what's his real name create an mmo and not just port the 300 people out to a private server or something?

I can only list two. We can at least admit that the anime left vital information out.


I'd accept those as plot holes, not nearly as many as people act like there are in all the SAO threads I've seen so far.
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Posted 10/27/14 , edited 10/27/14

metalshiflet96 wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

As for the plotholes, I can list a few.
Note that this depends on the absence of knowledge one would receive from the light novels, thus being anime only plotholes.

-Asuna's survival

-Why would Oberon what's his real name create an mmo and not just port the 300 people out to a private server or something?

I can only list two. We can at least admit that the anime left vital information out.


I'd accept those as plot holes, not nearly as many as people act like there are in all the SAO threads I've seen so far.


Didn't it seem kind of obvious though that she was waiting around in limbo to see how the fight between Kirito and Heathcliff would play out? That was my take on it anyway, and at the point I hadn't read the light novels yet. Suspending random deaths until after their duel was over didn't seem that strange, even if it wasn't fully explained.

I found the fact they omitted how the more complicated the sword skill, the longer there's a time delay to be the biggest sin that the anime committed in the ending there. It looked to me like Kirito was just giving up for no reason in the middle of attacking when I first watched it while he was fighting with Kayaba. However in actuality I learned after reading it that he knew he was defeated already because he got goaded into using a massive combination attack and that he would be completely defenseless when it ended. I was like "Wow, that whole scene makes so much more sense to me now."
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

As for the plotholes, I can list a few.
Note that this depends on the absence of knowledge one would receive from the light novels, thus being anime only plotholes.

-Asuna's survival

-Why would Oberon what's his real name create an mmo and not just port the 300 people out to a private server or something?

I can only list two. We can at least admit that the anime left vital information out.


As was already said, the Asuna thing is just a crappy adaptation issue not inherent to the source material. The Oberon one is also not a plot hole. He oversaw ALO as the RECT Progress Chief, and used ALO as his stage for his experiments. It would be idiotic to host the trapped people on a private server since there was an entire task force devoted to the SAO incident looking at them. The new mmo is the perfect way to hide them in plain sight and not have it traced directly back to Sugou. Him using the existing framework of ALO, which actually was made to be a game, is the only way he could hide his nefarious activity without arousing suspicion.

What is a plot hole is the fact the general public is not scared to death and outraged these games are allowed to continue while the SAO stuff is still happening. You'd think there would be an outcry to shut down other games until the whole SAO mess was resolved and they knew for certain how the technology was exploited to prevent things like that in the future. If not an outright ban on the sale of such tech and games. Failing to show what was happening behind the scenes in regards to public sentiment and government action is the most glaring of things I find.
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As a certified SAO hater, I'd love to be able to rattle off half a dozen in quick succession.

However, I'd agree that if people are screaming about plot holes without examples, they are probably confusing it with bad writing.

My best attempt: why weren't all of the Laughing Coffin members arrested upon the clearing of SAO? There were several in custody of the lead team, so somebody should remember most of the usernames. It was a clear plot point that Kirito remembering Death Gun's username was enough to catch him, so you can't say that the data was lost. As such, there should be abundant evidence and witnesses to arrest the entire guild even if it's not enough to convict them..

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