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SAO plot holes
Posted 10/27/14

sonic720 wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

As for the plotholes, I can list a few.
Note that this depends on the absence of knowledge one would receive from the light novels, thus being anime only plotholes.

-Asuna's survival

-Why would Oberon what's his real name create an mmo and not just port the 300 people out to a private server or something?

I can only list two. We can at least admit that the anime left vital information out.


As was already said, the Asuna thing is just a crappy adaptation issue not inherent to the source material. The Oberon one is also not a plot hole. He oversaw ALO as the RECT Progress Chief, and used ALO as his stage for his experiments. It would be idiotic to host the trapped people on a private server since there was an entire task force devoted to the SAO incident looking at them. The new mmo is the perfect way to hide them in plain sight and not have it traced directly back to Sugou. Him using the existing framework of ALO, which actually was made to be a game, is the only way he could hide his nefarious activity without arousing suspicion.

What is a plot hole is the fact the general public is not scared to death and outraged these games are allowed to continue while the SAO stuff is still happening. You'd think there would be an outcry to shut down other games until the whole SAO mess was resolved and they knew for certain how the technology was exploited to prevent things like that in the future. If not an outright ban on the sale of such tech and games. Failing to show what was happening behind the scenes in regards to public sentiment and government action is the most glaring of things I find.


It was a plothole, as it didn't give enough details. I couldn't have figured out that the taskforce was able to trace it if no one told me before hand. Though you are correct on how strange it is for people to continue playing despite the thousands of deaths from SAO.

Also, not sure if this is an anime plothole, but Kirito's ability to transform into the Gleaming Fangs boss as part of his "illusion" magic. Unsure as I am fuzzy on the details that actually were in the anime.
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Posted 10/27/14 , edited 10/27/14

desbravador wrote:
As a certified SAO hater, I'd love to be able to rattle off half a dozen in quick succession.

However, I'd agree that if people are screaming about plot holes without examples, they are probably confusing it with bad writing.

My best attempt: why weren't all of the Laughing Coffin members arrested upon the clearing of SAO? There were several in custody of the lead team, so somebody should remember most of the usernames. It was a clear plot point that Kirito remembering Death Gun's username was enough to catch him, so you can't say that the data was lost. As such, there should be abundant evidence and witnesses to arrest the entire guild even if it's not enough to convict them..


This was explained in GGO anime by Kirito. He said he intentionally blocked out the events because of how traumatic it was to him he killed people. He likely never told the investigators the full story there with usernames and such. The code for the system was so complex it was near impossible for investigators to trace who did what and when. They can't just arrest people on one man's word of what happened either. They need solid evidence to detain any of them.


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It was a plothole, as it didn't give enough details. I couldn't have figured out that the taskforce was able to trace it if no one told me before hand. Though you are correct on how strange it is for people to continue playing despite the thousands of deaths from SAO.




In episode 1 Kayaba tells them all the authorities are trying to save them to no avail, people died when they tried, and their bodies are being moved to long term care facilities while they are watching them. That should tell anyone watching that the authorities would still be involved later. They have to be pretty incompetent not to be looking at things around the 300 people that were still trapped. Plus the SAO Extra Edition episode goes into more detail on this.
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Posted 10/27/14
I have no problem with Kirito blocking out the username. However, someone had to work as the jailers for the captured Laughing Coffin members; I can't imagine they'd forget the usernames. There should be plenty of people that suffered at their hands willing to give over usernames.

If remembering Death Gun's username was enough to capture him, that suggests a username should be all they need to trace the individual. I can accept the fact that there isn't a 100% accurate system log, but testimonies should suffice.

Another point: capture one and and I'd imagine they'd readily testify against their fellow guildmembers. I doubt a guild of murderers that kill for fun will have strong solidarity.
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Posted 10/27/14 , edited 10/27/14
The first episode alone had a plot hole large enough to fit in an entire truck.

So basically a product was mass produced and sold and NO one in charge of the marketing or production realized that there was a micro-wave function on a device that must be connected to one of the most sensitive part of the body and went ''wait a sec...what use would there be in that aside from killing people...I don't think we should be selling this to the public''.
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Posted 10/27/14

desbravador wrote:
I have no problem with Kirito blocking out the username. However, someone had to work as the jailers for the captured Laughing Coffin members; I can't imagine they'd forget the usernames. There should be plenty of people that suffered at their hands willing to give over usernames.

If remembering Death Gun's username was enough to capture him, that suggests a username should be all they need to trace the individual. I can accept the fact that there isn't a 100% accurate system log, but testimonies should suffice.

Another point: capture one and and I'd imagine they'd readily testify against their fellow guildmembers. I doubt a guild of murderers that kill for fun will have strong solidarity.


We don't know if any of the jailers even survived to tell, let alone what they did tell the authorities if they did. Perhaps they too were scarred and did not want to be linked to murdering others in the game, even if it was for the greater good their actions could be considered murder as well.

As to the Death Gun name being enough, that's different. They authorities were actively monitoring the Death Gun murders and had access to more data than with SAO. They witnessed the two deaths in connection with that username, but could not tell deaths apart with SAO due to the volume and inability to read the logs. They had probable cause to arrest the user(s) related to the Death Gun deaths they were investigating once they knew it was murder. They lacked probable cause with the SAO LC guild because they did not have enough info to know what happened, with whom, and when.
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Posted 10/27/14 , edited 10/28/14

metalshiflet96 wrote:

I think he meant the actual writing of the LN, not the story


That... makes a lot more sense. One of these days I'll learn to read over everything without misreading it.
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Posted 10/27/14

desbravador wrote:

As a certified SAO hater, I'd love to be able to rattle off half a dozen in quick succession.

However, I'd agree that if people are screaming about plot holes without examples, they are probably confusing it with bad writing.

My best attempt: why weren't all of the Laughing Coffin members arrested upon the clearing of SAO? There were several in custody of the lead team, so somebody should remember most of the usernames. It was a clear plot point that Kirito remembering Death Gun's username was enough to catch him, so you can't say that the data was lost. As such, there should be abundant evidence and witnesses to arrest the entire guild even if it's not enough to convict them..



Because they had no proof that Laughing Coffin members actually thought death in game was death in real life. The members did recieve counseling.
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Le_Dom wrote:

The first episode alone had a plot hole large enough to fit in an entire truck.

So basically a product was mass produced and sold and NO one in charge of the marketing or production realized that there was a micro-wave function on a device that must be connected to one of the most sensitive part of the body and went ''wait a sec...what use would there be in that aside from killing people...I don't think we should be selling this to the public''.


That has happened in the real world you know... That's why we have recalls.
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Posted 10/27/14

sonic720 wrote:


desbravador wrote:
I have no problem with Kirito blocking out the username. However, someone had to work as the jailers for the captured Laughing Coffin members; I can't imagine they'd forget the usernames. There should be plenty of people that suffered at their hands willing to give over usernames.

If remembering Death Gun's username was enough to capture him, that suggests a username should be all they need to trace the individual. I can accept the fact that there isn't a 100% accurate system log, but testimonies should suffice.

Another point: capture one and and I'd imagine they'd readily testify against their fellow guildmembers. I doubt a guild of murderers that kill for fun will have strong solidarity.


We don't know if any of the jailers even survived to tell, let alone what they did tell the authorities if they did. Perhaps they too were scarred and did not want to be linked to murdering others in the game, even if it was for the greater good their actions could be considered murder as well.

As to the Death Gun name being enough, that's different. They authorities were actively monitoring the Death Gun murders and had access to more data than with SAO. They witnessed the two deaths in connection with that username, but could not tell deaths apart with SAO due to the volume and inability to read the logs. They had probable cause to arrest the user(s) related to the Death Gun deaths they were investigating once they knew it was murder. They lacked probable cause with the SAO LC guild because they did not have enough info to know what happened, with whom, and when.



I could give you the possibility that my hypothetical jailers may not have survived. However, the entire planning staff of the front guard knew Death Gun's SAO username; that is how Kirito recalled it.

The front guard just had their comrades murdered in front of them. I cannot buy that they would hesitate in seeking justice for their fire-forged friends.

There would be abundant testimonies about Laughing Coffin's horrendous acts. Everyone would also testify that the front guard are the heroes that cleared SAO, strengthening their credibility. The party would list off the date of the assault on Laughing Coffin; the deaths of their comrades would land on this same date, and everyone in the front guard could testify to this point.

I can give you all of the points about additional intel with regards to the Death Gun investigation, but I still have one objection: Death Gun at no point used his SAO username in relation to that string of murders. As such, this doesn't refute the idea that the authorities had a face to link to that username. To defeat this notion, I need a reason why Death Gun's SAO username was any use to the authorities at all.
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This is isn't plot hole more like an unfired Chekov's Gun but it always bothered me that the resurrection potion that Kirito got during the Christmas Event was never used or if it was the anime never showed it. It would of explained how Asuna was able to survive after being killed by Heathcliff and hell maybe even Kirito because Aincrad takes place over two years so there could potentially be two Res Pots. Extremely convenient I know but it's better than the shenanigans that happened in the original story.
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Posted 10/27/14

metalshiflet96 wrote:


desbravador wrote:

As a certified SAO hater, I'd love to be able to rattle off half a dozen in quick succession.

However, I'd agree that if people are screaming about plot holes without examples, they are probably confusing it with bad writing.

My best attempt: why weren't all of the Laughing Coffin members arrested upon the clearing of SAO? There were several in custody of the lead team, so somebody should remember most of the usernames. It was a clear plot point that Kirito remembering Death Gun's username was enough to catch him, so you can't say that the data was lost. As such, there should be abundant evidence and witnesses to arrest the entire guild even if it's not enough to convict them..



Because they had no proof that Laughing Coffin members actually thought death in game was death in real life. The members did recieve counseling.


I would be fine if the Laughing Coffin members got off using that argument, but there should be at least be mention of involuntary manslaughter trials.
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dreadreaver89 wrote:

This is isn't plot hole more like an unfired Chekov's Gun but it always bothered me that the resurrection potion that Kirito got during the Christmas Event was never used or if it was the anime never showed it. It would of explained how Asuna was able to survive after being killed by Heathcliff and hell maybe even Kirito because Aincrad takes place over two years so there could potentially be two Res Pots. Extremely convenient I know but it's better than the shenanigans that happened in the original story.


I'm actually writing a story from Klein's view that shows a use of the Resurrection potion.


desbravador wrote:

I would be fine if the Laughing Coffin members got off using that argument, but there should be at least be mention of involuntary manslaughter trials.


Laughing Coffin didn't kill anyone technically, it would be an easy case for any competent lawyer.
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desbravador wrote:
I could give you the possibility that my hypothetical jailers may not have survived. However, the entire planning staff of the front guard knew Death Gun's SAO username; that is how Kirito recalled it.

The front guard just had their comrades murdered in front of them. I cannot buy that they would hesitate in seeking justice for their fire-forged friends.

There would be abundant testimonies about Laughing Coffin's horrendous acts. Everyone would also testify that the front guard are the heroes that cleared SAO, strengthening their credibility. The party would list off the date of the assault on Laughing Coffin; the deaths of their comrades would land on this same date, and everyone in the front guard could testify to this point.

I can give you all of the points about additional intel with regards to the Death Gun investigation, but I still have one objection: Death Gun at no point used his SAO username in relation to that string of murders. As such, this doesn't refute the idea that the authorities had a face to link to that username. To defeat this notion, I need a reason why Death Gun's SAO username was any use to the authorities at all.




What are you even talking about now? The authorities had no idea DG was former LC. They sent Kirito into GGO to investigate because they did not know that. It was Kirito who figured out the ties to LC and relayed that info to them. The username was completely irrelevant as was DG being former LC. They were only concerned with the mysterious deaths in GGO and if they were murder or not, that's it. Not if it was linked to LC.
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Posted 10/27/14

Le_Dom wrote:

The first episode alone had a plot hole large enough to fit in an entire truck.

So basically a product was mass produced and sold and NO one in charge of the marketing or production realized that there was a micro-wave function on a device that must be connected to one of the most sensitive part of the body and went ''wait a sec...what use would there be in that aside from killing people...I don't think we should be selling this to the public''.


Thats not what happened. The Nerve Gear used microwaves to communicate with the nerve centers of the brain. The later AmuSphere worked the same way, microwaves and all, except it had safety protocols enabled that prevented the microwaves from being turned up to the levels of causing brain damage.
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Posted 10/27/14 , edited 10/28/14

sonic720 wrote:



What are you even talking about now? The authorities had no idea DG was former LC. They sent Kirito into GGO to investigate because they did not know that. It was Kirito who figured out the ties to LC and relayed that info to them. The username was completely irrelevant as was DG being former LC. They were only concerned with the mysterious deaths in GGO and if they were murder or not, that's it. Not if it was linked to LC.


If that information was wholly irrelevant, what did Kirito even do for that investigation? I suppose that's a rhetorical question that calls into question the climax of the arc.

If the SAO username and LC connection was of no use to authorities, it's conceivable for the trail to go dead.

I'll give it to you under those assumptions.
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