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Should smokers be allowed to make their own decisions?
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Posted 10/30/14 , edited 10/30/14
I think twice about my own judgement all the time. I would never trust someone who trusts in their judgement so completely that they believe they know what is best for everyone else. In China they restrict images of the protests in Tienanmen square because they think those protests were very detrimental to their society. That government believes they know better than some of their people, so they go about controlling how they think by restricting the right of their citizens to access specific information. That sort of certainty makes monsters of men, I trust doubt for that reason.

I don't think we'll agree with each other, but those are my .02 and I can agree to disagree.
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Posted 10/31/14 , edited 10/31/14
I think it depends on the individuals opition and it s may or may not same in all the cases.

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Posted 10/31/14

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I think twice about my own judgement all the time. I would never trust someone who trusts in their judgement so completely that they believe they know what is best for everyone else. In China they restrict images of the protests in Tienanmen square because they think those protests were very detrimental to their society. That government believes they know better than some of their people, so they go about controlling how they think by restricting the right of their citizens to access specific information. That sort of certainty makes monsters of men, I trust doubt for that reason.

I don't think we'll agree with each other, but those are my .02 and I can agree to disagree.


When I said you, I din't really mean you.
But while we are, lets say a doctor tells you to stop doing something you enjoy.
Would you listen to this stranger?
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Posted 10/31/14 , edited 10/31/14
The real question is if smoking compaines should be allowed to make there own decisions?
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Posted 10/31/14

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When I said you, I din't really mean you.
But while we are, lets say a doctor tells you to stop doing something you enjoy.
Would you listen to this stranger?


I know.

Anyway, I may or may not stop, depending on what it is and how much it means to me.
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You were vocal in the last thread, don't you want to try again with a more concise and worthy argument?
Posted 11/2/14 , edited 11/2/14

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Smoking is harmful to the users and people around them for no gain.
It makes no sense financial or otherwise to start or continue the act.
So should people that make such poor decisions be allowed to think for themselves?

previous thread got locked because mod said cleaning was impossible so here it is again.
enjoy.


this post is all wrong but i can't put my finger on the why. in a weird way, is your post a "pro" argument for smoking? lol
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Posted 11/2/14

Sir_jamesalot wrote:



You were vocal in the last thread, don't you want to try again with a more concise and worthy argument?


Don't worry, I've said all I have to say on the subject as well.
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Not if they are smoking in public. If it's in the sanctity of their own home or yard then they should be free to smoke. But not in public.
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Sir_jamesalot wrote:

Smoking is harmful to the users and people around them for no gain.
It makes no sense financial or otherwise to start or continue the act.
So should people that make such poor decisions be allowed to think for themselves?

previous thread got locked because mod said cleaning was impossible so here it is again.
enjoy.


this post is all wrong but i can't put my finger on the why. in a weird way, is your post a "pro" argument for smoking? lol


If you think so then tell me how?
I tried to write the question in a way that makes the point without unreasoned bias.
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Posted 11/2/14 , edited 11/2/14

Sir_jamesalot wrote:


severticas wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:

Smoking is harmful to the users and people around them for no gain.
It makes no sense financial or otherwise to start or continue the act.
So should people that make such poor decisions be allowed to think for themselves?

previous thread got locked because mod said cleaning was impossible so here it is again.
enjoy.


this post is all wrong but i can't put my finger on the why. in a weird way, is your post a "pro" argument for smoking? lol


If you think so then tell me how?
I tried to write the question in a way that makes the point without unreasoned bias.


But the bias is anti-smoking, as opposed to should the unbiased social deviants think for themselves.


To stay on topic, I still think not smoking is less of a choice than smoking, and since smoking is a detriment to the health of those involved, the non-smoker should be afforded more protections than the smoker.

But would you like smoking to be akin to insanity? Because what this kind of implies is regardless of whether I was a smoker or a violent schizophrenic, society should not have left me to think for myself. The latter kind of pressingly outweighs the former.
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But the bias is anti-smoking, as opposed to should the unbiased social deviants think for themselves.


To stay on topic, I still think not smoking is less of a choice than smoking, and since smoking is a detriment to the health of those involved, the non-smoker should be afforded more protections than the smoker.

But would you like smoking to be akin to insanity? Because what this kind of implies is regardless of whether I was a smoker or a violent schizophrenic, society should not have left me to think for myself. The latter kind of pressingly outweighs the former.


Fair enough.
The question implies negative statements assumed to be correct and common knowledge.
I targeted smoking because it's an addiction that starts without the promise of a return, unlike gambling where there's a chance of benefiting. And I would liken the personality that chooses to smoke to someone that self abuses, not because of the action but the decision making process.

So it can seem more biased than I intended.
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Posted 11/2/14

Sir_jamesalot wrote:


morechunch wrote:

But the bias is anti-smoking, as opposed to should the unbiased social deviants think for themselves.


To stay on topic, I still think not smoking is less of a choice than smoking, and since smoking is a detriment to the health of those involved, the non-smoker should be afforded more protections than the smoker.

But would you like smoking to be akin to insanity? Because what this kind of implies is regardless of whether I was a smoker or a violent schizophrenic, society should not have left me to think for myself. The latter kind of pressingly outweighs the former.


Fair enough.
The question implies negative statements assumed to be correct and common knowledge.
I targeted smoking because it's an addiction that starts without the promise of a return, unlike gambling where there's a chance of benefiting. And I would liken the personality that chooses to smoke to someone that self abuses, not because of the action but the decision making process.

So it can seem more biased than I intended.


You miss the promise of return entirely. I would rather smoke than gamble, my chances are much higher.
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Posted 11/2/14 , edited 11/2/14

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You miss the promise of return entirely.


You mean how the lotto is designed to make money or how the one armed bandit is literally fixed to comply with standards?
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Sir_jamesalot wrote:


morechunch wrote:

You miss the promise of return entirely.


You mean how the lotto is designed to make money or how the one armed bandit is literally fixed to comply with standards?


Yes. Exactly.

Every cigarette is manufactured to give you a dose of nicotine every time you smoke one.
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