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Should smokers be allowed to make their own decisions?
Posted 11/2/14

morechunch wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:


morechunch wrote:

You miss the promise of return entirely.


You mean how the lotto is designed to make money or how the one armed bandit is literally fixed to comply with standards?


Yes. Exactly.

Every cigarette is manufactured to give you a dose of nicotine every time you smoke one.


I see.
For a smoker this would be sought after.

But for gambling, there must always a chance of winning. No matter how small, even if the real gamble is choosing when to visit the pokeys.
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Posted 11/2/14

Sir_jamesalot wrote:


I see.
For a smoker this would be sought after.

But for gambling, there must always a chance of winning. No matter how small, even if the real gamble is choosing when to visit the pokeys.


Ignore the fact that the non-smoker can seek the same results as the smoker?

Not I.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/nicotine.htm

I started smoking at 25. I do not regret smoking cigarettes. I do not smoke passively (a topic from the last thread involving not littering and not smoking around non-smokers) and I do not plan to hold onto smoking as something essential to my life. But unless I see a reason beyond my own physical health, which can take a backseat to the benefits of nicotine for the time being, I am comfortable with my decision to smoke
Posted 11/7/14


If you don't respond in two days, then I get the last word and you lose.
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Posted 11/7/14
yes. because we (yes, i smoke), have the mental facilities to make decisions on our own, much like many others do.

Plus, there's MILLIONS of stupid, irrational, HIGHLY DANGEROUS things that people that people do regardless of how logical or sane they are. That's kinda what makes us all human.

What about allowing certain people to "breed"? That's one that A LOT of people propose as being something they'd like to pput requirements upon....

But what requirements? and who decides? and what happens when YOU are the one who is denied a choice?

I'd rather give everyone a little danger (though perhaps remove the super super dangerous stuff) and a LOT of freedom, rather than a LIIIIITTTLE safety, and a LOT of slavery.
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Posted 11/9/14 , edited 11/29/14
This has to be one of the more pointless threads I've seen yet. I don't even see a proper discussion here, it's one person's opinion vs another's really. Well MY opinion on this is, this thread should be locked because it's going nowhere and won't ever. lol
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Posted 11/9/14
I hardly get to make my own decisions as is. Smoking is the only thing I have left! And I neeeeeeeed it.
Posted 11/10/14 , edited 11/10/14

11BravoPatterson wrote:

I hardly get to make my own decisions as is. Smoking is the only thing I have left! And I neeeeeeeed it.


Wouldn't having the option to smoke and deciding not to still be a decision?
If you are addicted to smoking, then the decision to smoke is influenced by a third party.
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Posted 11/23/14

Sir_jamesalot wrote:

Smoking is harmful to the users and people around them for no gain.
It makes no sense financial or otherwise to start or continue the act.
So should people that make such poor decisions be allowed to think for themselves?

previous thread got locked because mod said cleaning was impossible so here it is again.
enjoy.


Dafuq? I smoke and I find it very relieving.
Posted 11/24/14
Of course. It is a perfectly valid choice to decide that you want lung cancer and other diseases. Consenting adults have the right to make up their mind about risking the development of flesh destroying diseases.
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Posted 11/24/14

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Of course. It is a perfectly valid choice to decide that you want lung cancer and other diseases. Consenting adults have the right to make up their mind about risking the development of flesh destroying diseases.


You're damn right! I think of it as another nail in the coffin.
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Posted 11/25/14
Everybody should have the right to do whatever they want, but they must be prepared for the consequences of their actions.
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Posted 11/25/14 , edited 11/25/14

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Everybody should have the right to do whatever they want, but they must be prepared for the consequences of their actions.


Hypothetically, on a crowded downtown crosswalk a smoker who can smoke anywhere lights up near a non-smoking asthmatic on the street side of the crowd. The non-smoking asthmatic starts to choke and with no way back through the crowd, steps into what they perceive as a clear spot on the crosswalk for clean air, ignoring the traffic lights, and is immediately hit by a bike courier that had a perceived clear right of way but was running 45 minutes behind schedule.

To be clear, do you think hypothetically everybody should have been prepared for this? The only person who didn't make any mistakes is the smoker. The asthmatic ignored cross laws to step into an area , the courier would have avoided the collision were they on schedule. Nobody can fault the smoker, the smoker is free to smoke anywhere. The smoker is cool as long as they lit their cigarette prepared to see two people collide?
Posted 11/29/14
Mabe chewing tobacco or an extra strong patch would be less of a problem for others but this doesn't address the issue with choosing to self harm.
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Posted 11/29/14

Sir_jamesalot wrote:

Smoking is harmful to the users and people around them for no gain.
It makes no sense financial or otherwise to start or continue the act.
So should people that make such poor decisions be allowed to think for themselves?

previous thread got locked because mod said cleaning was impossible so here it is again.
enjoy.




Let me put things this way:
You are a member of crunchyroll, so I am assuming that you like Anime. What if I told you that I thought anime was bad for you and that since you won't stop watching it, I'll force you to quit anime?

Anime is silly entertainment and that time can be better spent with study, exercise, or real-world personal interactions. Anime provides a visual story and therefore does not require imagination like reading does and therefore dulls your senses. Anime often objectifies women and portrays violence, deviant sexual behavior, and codependent relationships as entertainment which may lead to real-world social difficulties. Sitting in front of the computer or TV leads to bad posture, muscle weakness, circulatory problems, and increases the likelihood of obesity and therefore heart disease, depression, and stroke. Watching indoors can also result in vitamin D deficiencies which cause numerous other health problems.

Since you watch anime, you OBVIOUSLY don't know how to take care of yourself, so I am going to FORCE you to stop watching for your own good. I'll campaign to make anime illegal, run anti-anime advertisements on television, make you watch anime only in fenced-in designated areas, and pass laws which will punish you for watching anime outside of these areas. I'll lock you up if you encourage younger people to try anime. Worst of all, I'll get everyone to treat you like a leprous pariah for ever having watched anime by making snide posts about the ability of anime viewers to decide their own fates.

If I did that, how would you feel?

It is all true. Anime isn't good for you. You should be outside doing something healthy instead (and so should I). BUT, we come to this website, post on the boards, and watch TV shows because it is our RIGHT to choose for ourselves how to spend our time. Likewise, smokers enjoy smoking and it is their right to choose what to do with their time. The idea that you can force your will on others just because they choose something that isn't healthy is asinine.
Posted 11/29/14

dark_paradox_21 wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:

Smoking is harmful to the users and people around them for no gain.
It makes no sense financial or otherwise to start or continue the act.
So should people that make such poor decisions be allowed to think for themselves?

previous thread got locked because mod said cleaning was impossible so here it is again.
enjoy.




Let me put things this way:
You are a member of crunchyroll, so I am assuming that you like Anime. What if I told you that I thought anime was bad for you and that since you won't stop watching it, I'll force you to quit anime?

Anime is silly entertainment and that time can be better spent with study, exercise, or real-world personal interactions. Anime provides a visual story and therefore does not require imagination like reading does and therefore dulls your senses. Anime often objectifies women and portrays violence, deviant sexual behavior, and codependent relationships as entertainment which may lead to real-world social difficulties. Sitting in front of the computer or TV leads to bad posture, muscle weakness, circulatory problems, and increases the likelihood of obesity and therefore heart disease, depression, and stroke. Watching indoors can also result in vitamin D deficiencies which cause numerous other health problems.

Since you watch anime, you OBVIOUSLY don't know how to take care of yourself, so I am going to FORCE you to stop watching for your own good. I'll campaign to make anime illegal, run anti-anime advertisements on television, make you watch anime only in fenced-in designated areas, and pass laws which will punish you for watching anime outside of these areas. I'll lock you up if you encourage younger people to try anime. Worst of all, I'll get everyone to treat you like a leprous pariah for ever having watched anime by making snide posts about the ability of anime viewers to decide their own fates.

If I did that, how would you feel?

It is all true. Anime isn't good for you. You should be outside doing something healthy instead (and so should I). BUT, we come to this website, post on the boards, and watch TV shows because it is our RIGHT to choose for ourselves how to spend our time. Likewise, smokers enjoy smoking and it is their right to choose what to do with their time. The idea that you can force your will on others just because they choose something that isn't healthy is asinine.


If it is bad then you should try to ban it.
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