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Journalist says cosplay is a bad sign for the U.S. Economy
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i think i found out this guys problem ... he dresses up as doctor who
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Didn't actually read the article but did read the excerpt in the opening post. The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't know what he's talking about. Has he even done any research to back any of what he says up? Because in reality and in my experience with cosplaying, from encountering people who do to seeing pictures online and even doing a bit of it myself, cosplaying costs money, sometimes a lot of it, and most cosplayers are hard workers in normal jobs in their normal lives.
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The internet has given people the freedom to state their opinions, even if they aren't his, he clearly wants to piss people off. Giving this guy attention is what's wrong here. Don't empower his bullshit, not even ghosts should read that crap.
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And this is going to ruin the economy how?
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I don't think this guy is hitting on cosplay. It's more like he's trying to diagnose the state of the economy using cosplay figures. There's nothing wrong with people cosplaying, there's always going to be those people. When there's an unusual amount though, then there might be an underlying sociological problem as mentioned by the Japanese professor of sociology in the article. This honestly makes some sense to me since bad economy=more hikikimori=more cosplayers/internet surfing/manga/w/e.

qualeshia3 wrote:

And the economy is ruined by this how?


The economy is not ruined by cosplay. He's saying that excessive cosplay is an effect of bad economy, not the cause.

BlackRose0607 wrote:

Didn't actually read the article but did read the excerpt in the opening post. The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't know what he's talking about. Has he even done any research to back any of what he says up? Because in reality and in my experience with cosplaying, from encountering people who do to seeing pictures online and even doing a bit of it myself, cosplaying costs money, sometimes a lot of it, and most cosplayers are hard workers in normal jobs in their normal lives.


That's exactly what it said:
"It's not to say that all or even most cosplay aficionados are struggling to find work. It's only to say that any rise in people fleeing reality for fantasy suggests problems with our reality."

I do not think he was meaning to hit on cosplayers with his choice of words.


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Do you think so?


"It's hard to blame them. After all, it's not that these young adults in Japan are resisting becoming productive members of the economy — it's that there just aren't enough opportunities for them. So an increasingly large number of them spend an increasingly large amount of time living in make-believe fantasy worlds, pretending they are someone else, somewhere else. This is a very bad thing for the Japanese economy."

I don't see the part where he says cosplay>>no work. The relationship isn't bi-directional. The last sentence is worded funny but he means it's a bad diagnosis for the economy.

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I don't like cosplaying at all but this guy is just speaking out of his ass hard.
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It seems like quite a stretch to associate increased cosplay participation as a reflection of a poor economy. Perhaps the author chose cosplay because it's something that he's not overly familiar with and is an easy to see indication of an escape from reality. Dressing up as someone else outside the acceptable boundaries of Halloween? Shock!

I don't think that an increase in cosplay participation is a reflection on people disillusioned with their economic future who seek to escape from their reality. How do you even quantify an abstract thing like cosplay as increasing or decreasing, anyway?

Personally, I think cosplay is more popular and is more prevalent not because it's a reflection of the economy or anything like that. Instead, it's much easier to find and purchase resources to cosplay.

Going to anime conventions over the decades, I used to see only a small portion of the population cosplay because they would have to construct the costumes themselves. They took the time, the creativity and the effort to put together costumes based solely on a picture or two and it was amazing. Nowadays companies are seeing that there's a demand for cosplaying so you can pretty much buy everything you want pre-made and cosplay that way. There are sites and companies that sell complete outfits, wigs, accessories and everything. If you have the money, you can very easily cosplay a near-perfect version of the character that you like.

Honestly, I think that the increase in cosplayers isn't so much a reflection on a poor economy but rather a reflection of a recovering economy. Cosplaying costs money. More and more people cosplaying means that there's a larger percent of the population that can afford to do so.

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qualeshia3 wrote:



Do you think so?


"It's hard to blame them. After all, it's not that these young adults in Japan are resisting becoming productive members of the economy — it's that there just aren't enough opportunities for them. So an increasingly large number of them spend an increasingly large amount of time living in make-believe fantasy worlds, pretending they are someone else, somewhere else. This is a very bad thing for the Japanese economy."

I don't see the part where he says cosplay>>no work. The relationship isn't bi-directional. The last sentence is worded funny but he means it's a bad diagnosis for the economy.


That makes no sense to me.
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I think the real takeaway here is we all need to switch to a costume-based economy. I will trade two shinai and a headband for three eggs and some fingerless gloves. Any takers?
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wish i can get paid to write a load of bull, too.



This ^^
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This guy has no knowledge of the Japanese economy to begin with. If you're going to get paid to make a bias article, at least get some information to back up your ridiculous statements. These guys are just angry and frustrated that any money being made is being spent or promoting businesses outside of their country. Let them continue being butthurt and bashing other nations, at the end of the day they are using their technology to flush their own crap in.

They choose to promote an article to bash a harmless hobby. Okay, great. So, what point is he trying to make? Are drugs, alcohol, and tobacco use not an effect of a bad economy either? Or is that all just not worth mentioning, since it brings in the big bucks? Or maybe, just maybe, they are pissed off because those precious sales have declined in the past 10-15 years, so they turn their heads toward the entertainment industries? Must be nice to get paid for a load of bullshit.
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Cosplay has been done for what... A hounder years? Why hasn't it damaged the economy yet?


that's the point, there's no effect to speak of. think he's trying to be clever about it... how Japan isn't far off the American situation by us. It's not about the cosplayer per se, just what we think of when he says that. can't pretend reality is not grim for maybe a lot of people (don't ask me for figures lol). doubt very many people cosplay (in America) lol.

then there is the Doctor Who mentioned, who is a character that uses a screw driver... that's like a question; what's exactly being done to improve the economy?

An example;

9: The good, high-paying jobs have vanished: Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones, New York Times

NYT:

“The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

“Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?”



maybe all a coincidence... but i'd need to read the full thing. american economy does not interest me but i do believe it was recovering and maybe not the jobs people'd like were been created.



I'm currently working for a con... Guess what there are a lot of stores that that sell cosplay stuff there, are we just suppose to let their business die? Infact, cosplay helps the cisplay industry, here's an example... Wig retailers and manufacturers earn a shit ton of cash on the cosplay industry, then we also have some photographers that you have to hire and some cosplayers that only allow you to take photos of them if you pay them.

Also, cosplay is the art of costume play. In other words make a costume and make yourself like a character. So everything like Halloween is infact cosplay and as such we would have to kill it off if it's "damaging the economy".
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qualeshia3 wrote:


RedExodus wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:



Do you think so?


"It's hard to blame them. After all, it's not that these young adults in Japan are resisting becoming productive members of the economy — it's that there just aren't enough opportunities for them. So an increasingly large number of them spend an increasingly large amount of time living in make-believe fantasy worlds, pretending they are someone else, somewhere else. This is a very bad thing for the Japanese economy."

I don't see the part where he says cosplay>>no work. The relationship isn't bi-directional. The last sentence is worded funny but he means it's a bad diagnosis for the economy.


That makes no sense to me.


A lot of people who wouldn't normally go into cosplay would do so when they have 24/7 free time. A Japanese professor is the one who brought up the idea in the first place and the author is trying to draw a societal parallel to America, which is the only iffy thing I sense. Due to societal differences, Japanese males become shut-ins in Japan while this doesn't occur to any significant value in America. In America, you get tons of girls who go anorexic due to societal standards and views.

no work>>more cosplay but more cosplay does not cause less work.

Furthermore, the idea that such people fantasize isn't exactly new. A certain famous animator from Studio Ghibli(Hayao Miyazaki) believes:
“Personally, I was never more passionate about manga than when preparing for my college entrance exams. It's a period of life when young people appear to have a great deal of freedom, but are in many ways actually opressed. Just when they find themselves powerfully attracted to members of opposite sex, they have to really crack the books. To escape from this depressing situation, they often find themselves wishing they could live in a world of their own - a world they can say is truly theirs, a world unknown even to their parents. To young people, anime is something they incorporate into this private world.
I often refer to this feeling as one yearning for a lost world. It's a sense that although you may currently be living in a world of constraints, if you were free from those constraints, you would be able to do all sorts of things. And it's that feeling, I believe, that makes mid-teens so passionate about anime.”
― Hayao Miyazaki, Starting Point: 1979-1996
Note that young Japanese people have also been suffering from economic troubles for decades,

and as a fun fact:
“Modern life is so thin and shallow and fake. I look forward to when developers go bankrupt, Japan gets poorer and wild grasses take over.”
― Hayao Miyazaki

Heh, talk about grass is greener on the other side syndrome.
Posted 11/1/14

TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:

I'm currently working for a con... Guess what there are a lot of stores that that sell cosplay stuff there, are we just suppose to let their business die? Infact, cosplay helps the cisplay industry, here's an example... Wig retailers and manufacturers earn a shit ton of cash on the cosplay industry, then we also have some photographers that you have to hire and some cosplayers that only allow you to take photos of them if you pay them.

Also, cosplay is the art of costume play. In other words make a costume and make yourself like a character. So everything like Halloween is infact cosplay and as such we would have to kill it off if it's "damaging the economy".


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was that journalist piers morgan?
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