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Republican party attempts to suppress votes of certain citizens
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The priority of the party politicians definitely seems to be keeping their party in power under the guise of "well, if we can gain enough control, eventually we can do whatever we want and then all your needs will be met, so be patient and keep voting for us and not the other party. Or you'll regret it."

Where are the politicians who campaign by using their contributions to fix potholes or clean up parks or fix any local problem? At least something good would come out of it instead of a bunch of form ads that gently slander a candidate for their party's agenda.




While people might like the idea of a politician using some of their contributions to give back to the community, even if every politician did that (which would never happen), they wouldn't give that much to communities in the end. So it makes sense that they'd focus the funds on political prospects. Even though most politicians are questionable at best and down right corrupt at worst, we do need politicians when all is said and done. But boy have people over the years really turned U.S. politics into a real mess. Instead of trying hard to work together where we can (and it won't always be achieved), instead U.S. politics is usually like a kindergarten class where people fight and argue and pull hair and throw hissy fits. Case in point, last year some extremists in the GOP caused a government shut down because they weren't getting their way on some things. Good job, guys. So you caused all that disruption, angered a lot of Americans, and it accomplished...absolutely nothing. Didn't deter things in the slightest. We could have avoided it and things would have been all the same, except, well, without that disruptive government shutdown.

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LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:


ghostwarrior88 wrote:


LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:


snekyhippo wrote:

honestly you shouldn't believe everything you see on the internet a for republicans being worse than democrats just remember that soldiers are losing jobs because of democrats, the job market hasn't improved at all under a democrat president, and now we are sending soldiers back to Iraq because before the region was stabilized enough we pulled out thanks to citizens and the democrats. Im not saying war is great or republicans are better i honestly hate both parties im just saying dont trust everything you see on the internet.


A lot of things you posted there about Democrats are false lies you would find on the Internet but I'm not gonna go into depth about it. Flame wars are for the Extended Discussion section.



If you are going to twist perspectives and opinions into being "false lies" back it up with your own views. Threads like this are started under the idea of a flame war, and posting here at all means you are into it, quit trying to act high and mighty.


Woot I knew I would lure oversensitive idiots like you out with a simple troll post.




I guess it's a cute picture, as long as you feel like you won. Good job, good effort.

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morechunch wrote:

The priority of the party politicians definitely seems to be keeping their party in power under the guise of "well, if we can gain enough control, eventually we can do whatever we want and then all your needs will be met, so be patient and keep voting for us and not the other party. Or you'll regret it."

Where are the politicians who campaign by using their contributions to fix potholes or clean up parks or fix any local problem? At least something good would come out of it instead of a bunch of form ads that gently slander a candidate for their party's agenda.




While people might like the idea of a politician using some of their contributions to give back to the community, even if every politician did that (which would never happen), they wouldn't give that much to communities in the end. So it makes sense that they'd focus the funds on political prospects. Even though most politicians are questionable at best and down right corrupt at worst, we do need politicians when all is said and done. But boy have people over the years really turned U.S. politics into a real mess. Instead of trying hard to work together where we can (and it won't always be achieved), instead U.S. politics is usually like a kindergarten class where people fight and argue and pull hair and throw hissy fits. Case in point, last year some extremists in the GOP caused a government shut down because they weren't getting their way on some things. Good job, guys. So you caused all that disruption, angered a lot of Americans, and it accomplished...absolutely nothing. Didn't deter things in the slightest. We could have avoided it and things would have been all the same, except, well, without that disruptive government shutdown.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/lee-terry-government-shutdown-nice-house_n_4044511.html

My man Lee Terry has too nice a house to not collect his paycheck. My girl Deb Fischer says forgoing or donating pay in light of a government shutdown is a gimmick. Really, these guys are a class above.
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morechunch wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/lee-terry-government-shutdown-nice-house_n_4044511.html

My man Lee Terry has too nice a house to not collect his paycheck. My girl Deb Fischer says forgoing or donating pay in light of a government shutdown is a gimmick. Really, these guys are a class above.



Guy seems like a real winner. His party causes the government shutdown and causes 800,000 Americans to be furloughed, and this guy is like "Aw heck, you know I ain't giving up my pay!". Seems like a like of republicans have this mentality of "I have what I want, I don't care if you don't have what you want/need".
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Dubnoman wrote:


morechunch wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/lee-terry-government-shutdown-nice-house_n_4044511.html

My man Lee Terry has too nice a house to not collect his paycheck. My girl Deb Fischer says forgoing or donating pay in light of a government shutdown is a gimmick. Really, these guys are a class above.



Guy seems like a real winner. His party causes the government shutdown and causes 800,000 Americans to be furloughed, and this guy is like "Aw heck, you know I ain't giving up my pay!". Seems like a like of republicans have this mentality of "I have what I want, I don't care if you don't have what you want/need".


So why can't I ask a politician to fix some potholes when they have the money to advertise themselves to the same constituency?
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Admittedly a blog source, but here's something that might help spur some further conversation:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

It would seem, based upon Dr. Levitt's analysis anyway, the sort of fraud that voter ID laws ostensibly seek to prevent is exceptionally rare and relatively ineffective compared to other methods. In other words, if Dr. Levitt is correct in his analysis the voter ID laws do practically nothing to actually address voter fraud.
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BlueOni wrote:

Admittedly a blog source, but here's something that might help spur some further conversation:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

It would seem, based upon Dr. Levitt's analysis anyway, the sort of fraud that voter ID laws ostensibly seek to prevent is exceptionally rare and relatively ineffective compared to other methods. In other words, if Dr. Levitt is correct in his analysis the voter ID laws do practically nothing to actually address voter fraud.


News that should surprise no one. But then again, that probably isn't the actual purpose of these laws anyway.
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BlueOni wrote:

Admittedly a blog source, but here's something that might help spur some further conversation:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

It would seem, based upon Dr. Levitt's analysis anyway, the sort of fraud that voter ID laws ostensibly seek to prevent is exceptionally rare and relatively ineffective compared to other methods. In other words, if Dr. Levitt is correct in his analysis the voter ID laws do practically nothing to actually address voter fraud.


Have you seen the Daily Show piece where Aasif Mandvi interviews Don Yelton on this? It's so good. Even though Yelton was asked to resign after it aired, he shared some real insights into why these laws are seen as important, and I can't believe his opinions are isolated.
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How dare there be any standards to ensure that it is one person one vote. Why I think that's discriminatory, if I wish to vote 5000 times for the rent is too d*mn high party I should, how dare you try and restrain my freedom to express myself in any way shape or form.


On another note, the fraud might be low in number but it's still wrong.

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How dare there be any standards to ensure that it is one person one vote. Why I think that's discriminatory, if I wish to vote 5000 times for the rent is too d*mn high party I should, how dare you try and restrain my freedom to express myself in any way shape or form.


On another note, the fraud might be low in number but it's still wrong.



That's not the reality of the situation. You still have to have a real name and address ready, and you put your signature in the books. If you want to vote 5000 times, you would need 5000 names and addresses of people that had not yet voted and would not vote after you took their ballot. It seems counter-intuitive to me to make it less likely people will vote once in order to protect against them voting twice. If literally everybody voted, there could literally be no fraud.

Most states charge money for any kind of photo ID, and if it's an ID that has no practical purpose other than letting you vote once every two years, that is a serious disincentive to getting one at all.

The idea that this is a worthwhile tactic to fight fraud is shaky. Fake IDs, which are generally just somebody else's ID, can be used to get into bars. I'm not saying bars are or are not swimming with the underaged, or even that there will or won't be one underage person in any bar in on a given night, but I believe it happens at a much higher rate than voter fraud.

Making the process more complicated doesn't necessarily protect or damage the integrity of the process. In this case, voting is a right. Any plan that could potentially make it impossible for a person to vote (because they don't have a special new DIFFERENT form of ID with a picture that looks just like them on it on the day of the polls) is a bad plan for upholding citizens' rights to one person, one vote.
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Shishiosa wrote:

How dare there be any standards to ensure that it is one person one vote. Why I think that's discriminatory, if I wish to vote 5000 times for the rent is too d*mn high party I should, how dare you try and restrain my freedom to express myself in any way shape or form.

On another note, the fraud might be low in number but it's still wrong.


The laws do not significantly impact voter fraud rates and impose an unnecessary burden on voters by reducing early voting hours, disqualifying previously accepted forms of ID, and moving polling places from convenient locations.
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So then, something simpler, ala the purple ink finger infamously used in Iraq post Saddam or perhaps an image added to your voter registration card? Since you have to present id to be registered in the first place.
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Shishiosa wrote:

So then, something simpler, ala the purple ink finger infamously used in Iraq post Saddam or perhaps an image added to your voter registration card? Since you have to present id to be registered in the first place.


Something simpler.

Name and address.

If you can find 32 ballots out of one billion that turn up fraudulent, I will personally accept full responsibility.
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Shishiosa wrote:

So then, something simpler, ala the purple ink finger infamously used in Iraq post Saddam or perhaps an image added to your voter registration card? Since you have to present id to be registered in the first place.


If you don't quote me I won't know you've replied, and my answers will only come about once I happen by again.

Anyway, I think this proposal misses the fundamental point: fraud through the method you're trying to address was already exceptionally rare even in the status quo ante. Even before these voter ID laws were passed the number of ballots fraudulently submitted in the way these laws ostensibly prevent was already an ineffective and seldom used method.
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If it is okay to require ID when a person buys a gun (a right) then why is it so bad to have one to vote? The government will even pay for the ID for those who can't afford it! Course how that person opens a checking account, boards a plane.... Voter ID laws do help the integrity of the voting process. Though I think they should toss out the rolls every 10 years or so and start again as a way to limit fraud.
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