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Is anime slowly kicking the bucket? Hideaki Anno Interview.
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No more originality, just cliches.
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No more originality, just cliches.


In my opinion originality is not a problem per se, I think it is because people will watch whatever panders to their fetish, even low quality work. One of the reason I still play dating sims is that despite them being the same in premise and gameplay they're all very high quality work. (Most of them)

Once you get down to it, nothing is original. Minority report precedes Psycho Pass, Battle Royale precedes Mirai Nikk and Btooom!, etc.
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I 100% agree with that point. I think the main problem isn't really the industry itself, i think its most of the shows being made recently are just uninspired (my personal opinion though). There seem to be just too many harem shows that follow the same basic story line, and have the same characters but with different hair colors.

I think if we get some triple AAA shows like SnK, Psycho Pass, SAO, and even good long running shows like Hunter X Hunter 2011; we will see an even bigger boost in the anime industry.

I think shows like those are great for bringing in new fans. I even got my sister into anime due to SnK. I made her watch it when she was 11 (surprised she wasn't scarred for life).

I just think animation companies need to think less about profits, and more about taking a risk to create a work of art, instead of just a product.


Agreed. Haoyo Miyozaki also said that he believes the anime industry is failing because of "Otakus." I know you all are probably thinking... "But Otakus are the fans! How are they ruining it????" Well my dear children... just sit down and learn.

"Otaku" is a word in Japan that is not a good one. Otaku has negative connotations that many people in Japan look down upon. It's not just a simple "anime fan" but rather a low life who sits in his mother basement at the age of 30/40 with no job and basically is a lazy piece of garbage or have mega fetishes and love these animes that are all the same . These Otaku's love the Harems with the moe girl with big boobs and no plots. They are the ones who are coming up with the ideas that are all the same or demanding for these types of animes... which is why they anime industry is going down because they know that it will make some money and is an easy audience to target.

Here is a video that pretty much describes what really happens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXJ27KHa4Ck


The negative connotations usually lie with the older Japanese and those who embrace the mainstream. Some people embrace the word Otaku and think nothing wrong with the meaning. In other words, the definition depends on the demographic. A self proclaimed Otaku might think there's nothing wrong with being one, but middle school girl would think otherwise.


Well in the West people say it's an anime fan but in Japan it's not a good thing. I've seen lots of anime where they gasps at the sight of an Otaku
Posted 11/8/14 , edited 11/8/14

Dropplet wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Dropplet wrote:


AzazelOfNexium wrote:



I 100% agree with that point. I think the main problem isn't really the industry itself, i think its most of the shows being made recently are just uninspired (my personal opinion though). There seem to be just too many harem shows that follow the same basic story line, and have the same characters but with different hair colors.

I think if we get some triple AAA shows like SnK, Psycho Pass, SAO, and even good long running shows like Hunter X Hunter 2011; we will see an even bigger boost in the anime industry.

I think shows like those are great for bringing in new fans. I even got my sister into anime due to SnK. I made her watch it when she was 11 (surprised she wasn't scarred for life).

I just think animation companies need to think less about profits, and more about taking a risk to create a work of art, instead of just a product.


Agreed. Haoyo Miyozaki also said that he believes the anime industry is failing because of "Otakus." I know you all are probably thinking... "But Otakus are the fans! How are they ruining it????" Well my dear children... just sit down and learn.

"Otaku" is a word in Japan that is not a good one. Otaku has negative connotations that many people in Japan look down upon. It's not just a simple "anime fan" but rather a low life who sits in his mother basement at the age of 30/40 with no job and basically is a lazy piece of garbage or have mega fetishes and love these animes that are all the same . These Otaku's love the Harems with the moe girl with big boobs and no plots. They are the ones who are coming up with the ideas that are all the same or demanding for these types of animes... which is why they anime industry is going down because they know that it will make some money and is an easy audience to target.

Here is a video that pretty much describes what really happens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXJ27KHa4Ck


The negative connotations usually lie with the older Japanese and those who embrace the mainstream. Some people embrace the word Otaku and think nothing wrong with the meaning. In other words, the definition depends on the demographic. A self proclaimed Otaku might think there's nothing wrong with being one, but middle school girl would think otherwise.


Well in the West people say it's an anime fan but in Japan it's not a good thing. I've seen lots of anime where they gasps at the sight of an Otaku


This is what Wikipedia told me about the term. Anyway, do they gasp at a stereotypical Otaku, the word Otaku, or someone who is just a fan? The prejudice is aimed at the fandom regardless of whatever name is used. They believe in the stereotypes and whatnot.
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When the anime industry hits its rock bottom it will just kill the smaller companies and studios. The giants of the industry wont die and will float by with no problems whatsoever other than possibly downsizing temporarily and then rebuilding once the industry picks up again.
If you look back on the gaming industry in 1983 it was literally done for, everyone imaginable was pumping out garbage. Eventually a few gems were released which brought interest back into the industry.

Basically I predict that around 2020 to 2025 the anime industry will hit its lowest. Anime/Manga publishers will only accept the best works around that time to reduce risk of asset loss for their company. There will be a huge surge of new interest into anime/manga because of the high quality anime/manga. Then it will return to a peak, and repeat this process over and over.
All considered anime is a pretty young industry along with gaming. So they follow similar trends. A good comparison is the stock market. Small-time stocks come and go and larger company stocks sit at a stable margin.

It also doesn't help that anime isn't something of total global appeal. Cartoons (Just a generally accepted term, I know anime aren't cartoons, this is just for the sake of argument.) really only work with certain people (I think the work i'm looking for is 'niche'.) for example Coka Cola is literally everywhere in the world in basically any language you can think of, because of the fact that it's a soft drink there isn't really a niche for it (Excluding the people who refuse to drink soft drinks or people who don't like Coka Cola.) people gotta drink a cold beverage on a hot day or enjoy a cold beverage with their double big mac.

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Anime will hit a rock bottom and climb back up to a new peak, and repeat this process over and over.
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Just like with the video games industry publishers are the problem. They use statistics to play follow the leader and conform to trends because they are afraid to let the creative leads do their job. Honestly that low risk way of thinking pisses me off because all it is a lack of confidence.

Have you ever noticed the blue and orange trend for action movie and shooter game cases? That is another case of them looking too deeply into statistics... Games publishers are afraid to put a female on the cover of a game... why is that? Because the ones with males sell more but that is a statistical artifact since those huge selling games are shooters that offer constant gameplay and a carrot on a stick reward system. (what ever happened to shooters that PUNISH you for your mistakes and never reward you with anything more than a W... you know with everyone on an even playing field?)

Competition from crowdfunded projects and indies have causes some of the elites to start to innovate so we need more of that. The indies can compete with a lower price point regardless of quality and they can have more volume sales.

To everyone I say lets share the risks and make things happen.
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The anime industry isn't dying, it's certainly not as profitable as has been but aslong as new and good material is being released then i doubt that the anime industry will go anywhere. If the anime industry is to grow then then it needs to take chances to produce better content.

The west can't do much to help anime recover, all we can do is use legal anime sites to support the industry and if you have spare cash and like a series then support it by buying the dvds/merchandise. And try and get as many people into anime as possible.
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This is a response to everyone previously quoted.

In japan, "otaku" is often used to describe someone who is antisocial, not enthusiastic about working and often spends 80% of their time doing that hobby they are an otaku for.

Its basically the equivalent of a NEET.

It is not a compliment, its an extremely derogatory term, I have alot of friends in Japan since i study Japanese at a university level, and most of the people i talk to often do not call themselves otaku. One of them even told me a story about a friend of hers who had to "come out" to her friends as an otaku, to which they snubbed their noses at her.

In the west, it just means your a fan of anime.

When Miyazaki said the thing about Otaku, he was referring to animators who base their characters and plots on unrealistic stereotypical fetishes that pander to the fantasy's of those "otaku". Miyazaki based his work on real people that he watched in his day to day life.
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Posted 11/8/14

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:

No more originality, just cliches.


In my opinion originality is not a problem per se, I think it is because people will watch whatever panders to their fetish, even low quality work. One of the reason I still play dating sims is that despite them being the same in premise and gameplay they're all very high quality work. (Most of them)

Once you get down to it, nothing is original. Minority report precedes Psycho Pass, Battle Royale precedes Mirai Nikk and Btooom!, etc.


Cliches are more popular though.
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It is normal to have ups and downs. It is not feasible or realistic to have something go on a continual upwards trend without dropping here and there. That is how things evolve and grow. Disney has been "dying" at various points during it's life so far. Can you see it actually disappearing any time soon?
Falling down makes people re-examine what they are doing and either they give up or improve for the better. Considering Japanese culture, I can't see all the manga/anime creators giving up what they love to do because things aren't static.
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No, it's not dying. Hideaki Anno is well known for being an eccentric so take what he says with a grain of salt. There's probably a reason that people went to the trouble of creating things like http://hideakiannohateseveryone.tumblr.com/

He's most famous for directing Evangelion and Kare Kano right? Decent anime for the most part...yet he ran both series into the ground and both ended up finishing runs on a shoe string budget with extremely crappy animation. I'm not a fan, and don't really care about his off the wall opinions on things like this.
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AzazelOfNexium wrote:



This is a response to everyone previously quoted.

In japan, "otaku" is often used to describe someone who is antisocial, not enthusiastic about working and often spends 80% of their time doing that hobby they are an otaku for.

Its basically the equivalent of a NEET.

It is not a compliment, its an extremely derogatory term, I have alot of friends in Japan since i study Japanese at a university level, and most of the people i talk to often do not call themselves otaku. One of them even told me a story about a friend of hers who had to "come out" to her friends as an otaku, to which they snubbed their noses at her.

In the west, it just means your a fan of anime.

When Miyazaki said the thing about Otaku, he was referring to animators who base their characters and plots on unrealistic stereotypical fetishes that pander to the fantasy's of those "otaku". Miyazaki based his work on real people that he watched in his day to day life.


People who use the word Otaku negatively believe all anime fans are Otaku. Also, this is the source of my argument.
http://web.archive.org/web/20130703184904/http://news.mynavi.jp/news/2013/04/27/076
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As far as "western" anime. We technically have it already. Archer, Futurama, Boondocks or anything that is animated and not aimed at children. We like anime because its from another country!

As far as the industry dying? May not be a bad thing. Maybe the resurrection will eclipse what came before it? Or at least one can hope.
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IMO

Part of it is all the people here on CR who don't have a star next to their name. They come here to watch the streams and that's it. They don't pay a membership. You could always come up with excuses for why you don't contribute to the industry you "love" so much. But we all have bills to pay, we all gotta eat. But throw the industry a bone people.

Have a lovely day, all.
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OK, I had a much longer post planned, and then I had a short post that turned into another long post, but for now I'll just say this:

I'm watching all of these shows that started airing this season:

Amagi Brilliant Park
Gugure! Kokkuri-san
Parasyte -the maxim-
Rage of Bahamut: Genesis
Ronja the Robber's Daughter
The Seven Deadly Sins
Tribe Cool Crew
When Supernatural Battles Became Commonplace
Your Lie in April

I don't think any of them can be described as cookie cutter crap. The ones you might ASSUME are if you haven't seen them? They aren't. The standard of writing is high in all of them, they're all much better than the average for their genre and they're well produced. Just how much they deviate from the norm varies, but all of them are very good, and most of them are notably atypical with only a couple being "merely" good pieces of entertainment within their genre that don't break with convention as much (namely Tribe Cool Crew and Your Lie in April). Of course, whether they end as well as they start remains to be seen, but if they can keep up the quality they've shown thus far I'm going to be very pleased with this season.
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