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Is anime slowly kicking the bucket? Hideaki Anno Interview.
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All I know is that anime has to graduate from high school. All these shows being based in high school does not help the industry.
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I 100% agree with that point. I think the main problem isn't really the industry itself, i think its most of the shows being made recently are just uninspired (my personal opinion though). There seem to be just too many harem shows that follow the same basic story line, and have the same characters but with different hair colors.

I think if we get some triple AAA shows like SnK, Psycho Pass, SAO, and even good long running shows like Hunter X Hunter 2011; we will see an even bigger boost in the anime industry.

I think shows like those are great for bringing in new fans. I even got my sister into anime due to SnK. I made her watch it when she was 11 (surprised she wasn't scarred for life).

I just think animation companies need to think less about profits, and more about taking a risk to create a work of art, instead of just a product.


Agreed. Haoyo Miyozaki also said that he believes the anime industry is failing because of "Otakus." I know you all are probably thinking... "But Otakus are the fans! How are they ruining it????" Well my dear children... just sit down and learn.

"Otaku" is a word in Japan that is not a good one. Otaku has negative connotations that many people in Japan look down upon. It's not just a simple "anime fan" but rather a low life who sits in his mother basement at the age of 30/40 with no job and basically is a lazy piece of garbage or have mega fetishes and love these animes that are all the same . These Otaku's love the Harems with the moe girl with big boobs and no plots. They are the ones who are coming up with the ideas that are all the same or demanding for these types of animes... which is why they anime industry is going down because they know that it will make some money and is an easy audience to target.

Here is a video that pretty much describes what really happens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXJ27KHa4Ck


The negative connotations usually lie with the older Japanese and those who embrace the mainstream. Some people embrace the word Otaku and think nothing wrong with the meaning. In other words, the definition depends on the demographic. A self proclaimed Otaku might think there's nothing wrong with being one, but middle school girl would think otherwise.


Well in the West people say it's an anime fan but in Japan it's not a good thing. I've seen lots of anime where they gasps at the sight of an Otaku


This is what Wikipedia told me about the term. Anyway, do they gasp at a stereotypical Otaku, the word Otaku, or someone who is just a fan? The prejudice is aimed at the fandom regardless of whatever name is used. They believe in the stereotypes and whatnot.


Basically it's like theres a huge difference between a fan and an Otaku. Otakus obsess over either video games, computers, or anime. It just is looked down upon. But they obess to the point where it's almost unhealthy.


People usually don't discriminate only against hardcore fans, they discriminate against every fan because they assume they are or will turn out like those hardcore fans, regardless of whatever name is conceived to call them that. Most people who use the term negatively don't bother to differentiate or care to. It is really no different than the moral crusades against video games. To them there is no perfectly sane person who can sit and be entertained by these medias and still be normal.
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All I know is that anime has to graduate from high school. All these shows being based in high school does not help the industry.


I don't mind a tiny bit of pandering; after all, it is natural to do so.
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This is a joke, it's kinda like how "researchers" constantly claim that we will reach peak oil or climate change will end all of humanity in a few years.... and those years pass and they still say the same thing. Yes prices of oil will go up and now the weather is abit more violent, but here is the thing it isn't a big as a deal as they made it, people adapted to these changes and moved on with their lives. It wasn't the doomsday they were expecting. Yes companies are becoming less likely to take risks, but that dosn't mean they are going to stop making anime. Sure we may start seeing a decline in the number, which quite frankly may be a good thing since according to the numbers the amount of new anime made per year has been skyrocketing to absurd numbers. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110408111236AAOieUT Actually now that I think about it the "problems" are likely caused by TOO MUCH anime being made and a decrease in production would actually help the industry.
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AzazelOfNexium wrote:

What is everyone's opinion on this? Is it possible for us in the west to help save anime?
Give me your thoughts!



Where were you during the Japanese economic crisis? When the economic bubble burst, things were bad in the 1990s... For a whole decade.

Anime survived THAT. I remember back then there was talk about how certain stuff weren't being made because how tough things were.

Anime not only survived the 90s but towards the end of the 90s was the golden age of anime in my opinion (with epic shows like Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop, Kenshin, etc...)

There is more stuff now then there ever had been.

Perspective, my friend.


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All I know is that anime has to graduate from high school. All these shows being based in high school does not help the industry.


...But most of the audience is high-school aged.

Adult-oriented shows like Hataraki Man (if you haven't seen it, you should) are niche.
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Yeah, that's what they said about video games back in the 90s.
It's here to stay for good or ill, im afraid.
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togussa wrote:

All I know is that anime has to graduate from high school. All these shows being based in high school does not help the industry.


That doesn't make sense though. It's like music. Taylor Swift and Bruce Springsteen share the same medium but not the same audience. You have to appeal to the majority otherwise the medium will flounder. Go watch Tokyo Magnitde 8.0 and regret your words.
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togussa wrote:

All I know is that anime has to graduate from high school. All these shows being based in high school does not help the industry.


I don't mind a tiny bit of pandering; after all, it is natural to do so.


True, but what I'm asking for is a little variety.
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togussa wrote:

All I know is that anime has to graduate from high school. All these shows being based in high school does not help the industry.


That doesn't make sense though. It's like music. Taylor Swift and Bruce Springsteen share the same medium but not the same audience. You have to appeal to the majority otherwise the medium will flounder. Go watch Tokyo Magnitde 8.0 and regret your words.


All these shows are just carbon copies lately...teenagers don't tend to like that.
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Anime will never die, there are too many people interested it it :P

Even if all the companies go bankrupt and no one wants to animate stuff, we will always have other desperate communities willing to step up to the plate haha.

But then again, I wouldn't mind more manga
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Most of the anime is made for teenagers and teenagers are poor
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if its from america its died besides that i think anime is a strong as every gaining more fans all the time. The entertainment field usually does a rough year every couple of years cuz if it was amazing all the time it won't be amazing, you know.
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To much Moe or too much of anything for the industry is bad.
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nanikore2 wrote:


AzazelOfNexium wrote:

What is everyone's opinion on this? Is it possible for us in the west to help save anime?
Give me your thoughts!



Where were you during the Japanese economic crisis? When the economic bubble burst, things were bad in the 1990s... For a whole decade.

Anime survived THAT. I remember back then there was talk about how certain stuff weren't being made because how tough things were.

Anime not only survived the 90s but towards the end of the 90s was the golden age of anime in my opinion (with epic shows like Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop, Kenshin, etc...)

There is more stuff now then there ever had been.

Perspective, my friend.


togussa wrote:

All I know is that anime has to graduate from high school. All these shows being based in high school does not help the industry.


...But most of the audience is high-school aged.

Adult-oriented shows like Hataraki Man (if you haven't seen it, you should) are niche.


Hataraki man was awesome.. The drama, better... If for nothing other than this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zc8TvrKeTc



Honestly though, it sounds horrible, but I think everyone's kinda spot on.

There's little to no originality, but it's not just anime. It's risky to step outside of what has been "proven" to succeed, but what the biggest problem is in doing so is it's like farming with monocrops (since we mentioned Hataraki Man, any love for Moyashimon?). Unfortunatey, without diversity, the fanbase and the creativity just get more and more depleted, and over the years, you see this steady decline that, you thought with all your data, you'd avoid. In short you're making you death more prolonged and painful.

I think the biggest problem these days (and IO'm talking about any sort of creative risk or business venture here) is that everything cost so god damned much that it's cost prohibitive to take these sorts of risks, and you end up spending so much time and effort staying afloat, you just haven't the time or energy to actually do anything. I talk to a lot of older folks (hell, I'm 33.. I'm starting to become "older folks"), and honestly, every last one says it was just easier to take risks back in the day. You had more time. Rent and food didn't eat up 90% of your paycheck. You didn't make much, but damn it, you at least had a bit of time to do something with....

Tangenting there, and I'm sorry.

It sounds horrible, but I kinda wish the anime industry would crash and burn, and about 5 years after, try again, starting from scratch again. I think we'd get a lot better quality stuff, and a different variety of stuff. Maybe it's because there's all these giant industries which are doing everything legal (or simply not made illegal yet) to keep churning out gobs and gobs of cash, and that's where the real fault lies. They never relax their grip so someone else can try something, and they never really let viewers/customers experience something different.
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